# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 85
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1682 "2011-08-22T19:09:54Z")
this is awesome. not only is donk loads of fun to play with, but if he’s a wolf i don’t think he’ll be able to hide it from me. ---
**Author:** ![DonkTimesFour](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ea924/32.png) [@DonkTimesFour](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DonkTimesFour)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1683 "2011-08-22T19:15:27Z")
> [@Dancecat](#): > > zomg donk is here! \<3 hi dancecat! > [@Dancecat](#): > > this is awesome. not only is donk loads of fun to play with, but if he’s a wolf i don’t think he’ll be able to hide it from me. i don’t get randed wolf, you know this 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1684 "2011-08-22T19:16:11Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > well fuck. the cat turd covered in cracker crumbs claim just went out the proveribal window. I’d say it either got flushed down the toilet or Polly ate it. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1685 "2011-08-22T19:17:58Z")
**MODERATOR ANNOUNCEMENT** pwnsall is subbing in and will be replacing TimeLady. Everyone say hi to him as well. ---
**Author:** ![DonkTimesFour](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ea924/32.png) [@DonkTimesFour](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DonkTimesFour)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1686 "2011-08-22T19:18:47Z")
aww man that sucks TL\>\>\>\>\>\>\>pwns ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1687 "2011-08-22T19:19:31Z")
> [@DonkTimesFour](#): > > aww man that sucks > > TL\>\>\>\>\>\>\>pwns Less chance of a suicide cult tho iyam ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1688 "2011-08-22T19:19:44Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > \ > > ok, **jan** won’t answer so i will ask you. what is town’s goal? I’m not sure what kind of answer you are expecting but isn’t the goal to win? Or are you asking for more of a strategy response? ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1689 "2011-08-22T19:21:40Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Hmm, I think you’re mischaracterising the case against Scuba\_Ben here > > _Vote flipflops? I think that’s a Town-tell._ > It wasn’t just flip flopping. It was saying that he found a player townie, then voting for him 30 posts later for the same reason he had previously voted for him. > > - A defended B who accused C of smudging D?\* > I don’t know how you managed to get all the way up to D here. Peeker voted for Giraffe for an inconsistency. Scuba\_ben voted peeker, saying he didn’t find what Giraffe said inconsistent. (Even though it certainly seemed pretty inconsistent to me) > > \*There’s so many opportunities for innocent logic errors (or even Wifom double-crosses) in a chain like that, I think they can be ignored until we have more info. > \* > Wasn’t actualy much of a chain. > The whole post is based on being dismissive of the case against Scuba\_ben. Thanks, it’s frustrating that I put in the time to put together the case against **Scuba\_Ben** with links and it’s still being boiled down to flip-flopping. The interesting point about the flip-flopping isn’t that he did it, as that means nothing, but why and the when. The interesting point about his **peeker** vote isn’t that he voted him, it’s that his reason for doing so seems to be a pretty straight-forward and deliberate misrepresentation and, again, timing. But seriously, to those who are going to dismiss the **Scuba\_Ben** case, at least get it right or, preferably, tell me where I screwed up in my analysis. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1690 "2011-08-22T19:22:09Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > **MODERATOR ANNOUNCEMENT** > > pwnsall is subbing in and will be replacing TimeLady. Everyone say hi to him as well. I cannot keep up with the subs! Did \*\*pizza \*\*sub in for someone? He’s the only one I cannot account for in my list o’ players. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1691 "2011-08-22T19:22:36Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > I’m up to 1500, posting what I’ve found so far. > > I’m the currently leading bandwagon for my weak vote reasons Yesterday. But as **peeker** says in 1490, I’m normally very clueless about finding Town and Scum, even more so on Day 1. > > I have to reply to **Blaster Master** ’s case in 1424, and cross-check it with eir vote in 1109. I’ll do that at some point after I’ve caught up. AOP: My notes say it was for my flip-flop voting Yesterday, and **Drain Bead** voted me in 1190 for essentially the same reason. > > To BlaM, Drain Bead, peeker, and me-too Weedy: Any comment on my volunteering that I get a second target Tonight? More to the point: If I were a Wolf, why would I volunteer such info? > > My normal play on Day 1 has always been weak votes, weak reasoning, and scummy-seeming weak play. :fail: > > But in the cases against me, **Weedy** ’s #1452 is explicitly a “me too” vote. That’s pretty suspicious to me, and also to **PizzaGuy** in 1465. So I encourage people to take another look at Weedy. > > Also, I saw over the weekend (mainly on Saturday) a lot of discussion about **Idle Thoughts** reporting in 1097 that he received a message that **Dancecat** is a Villager. I strongly trust his report, because I received a similar message overNight: **Silver Jan** is a Villager. And she was not my target last Night. > > I acknowledge this presents the same issue as **Inner Stickler** laid out about Idle’s claimed message in 1169. I add to that discussion that because two of us are reporting similar received messages, this increases the likelihood that our reports are accurate. So should Idle or I flip Town, consider both Dancecat and Jan as cleared. > > I recognize that none of this says anything about Idle’s or my alignment / affiliation. > > I am curious **Silver Jan** : Did you target me last night? If you did not, I am not asking you to say who you did target. > > Aside @ **sangaman** : In #1445 you kvetch that English has no gender neutral pronouns. That is why I start Mafia games using Spivak pronouns, a nonstandard add-in to English. I am just answering as I read so things are going to be out of sequence. No I did not target\*\* Scuba Ben\*\* but I was asked to send in the name of an alternate player in case the person I targeted was lynched. I did not get a result of the first person but I DID get a result on the second person. Still happy with your vote **Zeriel**? BTW it wasn’t\*\* Zeriel\*\* either. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1692 "2011-08-22T19:24:12Z")
Welcome to donkx4 and pwnsall, and good luck getting caught up! ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1693 "2011-08-22T19:24:03Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I cannot keep up with the subs! Did \*\*pizza \*\*sub in for someone? He’s the only one I cannot account for in my list o’ players. Yeah, take a look at LightFoot’s list a few posts ago; Pizza subbed in for PetW. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1694 "2011-08-22T19:24:43Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > **MODERATOR ANNOUNCEMENT** > > pwnsall is subbing in and will be replacing TimeLady. Everyone say hi to him as well. It’s not your fault, but I’m having a ton of trouble keeping up with subs. When you post the next offical player list (I assume at Dusk), can you make sure to note who is subbing for who? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1695 "2011-08-22T19:24:57Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I am just answering as I read so things are going to be out of sequence. No I did not target\*\* Scuba Ben\*\* but I was asked to send in the name of an alternate player in case the person I targeted was lynched. I did not get a result of the first person but I DID get a result on the second person. Still happy with your vote **Zeriel**? BTW it wasn’t\*\* Zeriel\*\* either. Sooo…you targeted **krayz** , before the Day ended? Is this what you’re saying? ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1696 "2011-08-22T19:25:50Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Krayz (7): Drain Bead [489], Meeko/sangaman [493], [del]Scuba\_Ben [498][/del], Mahaloth [540], Idle Thoughts [706], LightFoot [717], Scuba\_Ben [736], Precambrianmollusc [771] > TexCat (5): Inner Stickler [473], lilflower [494], MykBot [586], gnarlycharlie [636], Normal Phase [739] > Silver Jan (5): special ed [487], DanceCat [513], Episkey [617], bufftabby [795], Blaster Master [820] > peekercpa (4): Giraffe [301], [del]special ed [313][/del], NAF1138 [337], [del]Scuba\_Ben [379][/del], Silver Jan [484], crackedquads [743] > > The vote leaders from yesterday. Let’s look at the timing for these wagons. > At around post 400, peeker was way in the lead with 4 votes and seemed to be gaining speed, TimeLady and Giraffe had a couple. Fast forward ahead to about post 600 and what do we have? Krayz has suddenly picked up 3 or 4 votes (4 until Ben unvoted), peeker is now down to 3, I have picked up 3, and SilverJan has a couple. I speculate that a scummy peeker was in trouble and that scum took a scattergun approach to an opposing bandwagon, and that Krayz, SilverJan, and I were in front of the scattergun. I suspect we will find 1 or 2 scum on all of us, who might have changed had peeker continued getting heat. At the end, Krayz was simply the easiest vote. Several people had stated that they couldn’t see any case on me and voting for me might entail explaining the case. > > Let’s look at who the scum on these scatterwagons might be. First we know that Mahaloth was on Krayz. Ben moved from peeker to Krayz. I think it unlikely that Ben was bussing peeker and I am assuming for this scenario that peeker is scum. Meeko/sangaman was an early vote. Meeko was struggling to get caught up in the thread, and yet voted for Krayz. > > On me, we have InnerStick and lilflower. I looked at the voters on me here: [1412](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14163046&postcount=1412) and looked further at Inner here [1475](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14164642&postcount=1475). Yes, that’s the bandwagon analysis I’ve been slogging through the posts working on. So, here’s where I get confused. Say **Peeker** is scum and his scum buddies orchestrate a couple more bandwagons to save him. If we’re on the high side of scum - there could be 9 of those 21 votes belonging to scum - so that’s very possible. What I don’t get is **Krays’** defense of **Peeker**. He calls out three people as wolves when they voted\*\* peeker\*\* - though he said that his intention was not to call out peeker voters exclusively. We know **Krays** is town. I think we can assume that he got lynched to save one of the other lead vote getters. I’m just not convinced that\*\* Peeker\*\* was the scum that was saved. Of course, there’s would be no way for **Krays** to know **Peekers** alignment since we know he was town. Something just seems out of place here. I dont’ think **Texcat** was the other wagon since I don’t think she had any votes at all when the band waggoning started. I’ve got to see where **SilverJan** fits in all this chronologically. I know I dont’ have anything conclusive in this post, but I want to see what others think. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1697 "2011-08-22T19:26:20Z")
I blame MHaye for all this. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1698 "2011-08-22T19:27:53Z")
**OFFICIAL CURRENT PLAYER LIST** (Thanks to LightFoot) Astral Rejection Askthepizzaguy (subbed for PetW) Blaster Master brewha bufftabby crackedquads Dancecat DonkTimesFour (subbed for sachertorte) Drain Bead Episkey Giraffe gnarlycharlie Idle Thoughts Inner Stickler LightFoot lilflower MykBot NAF1138 Normal Phase peekercpa Precambrianmollusc pwnsall (subbed for TimeLady) sangaman (subbed for Meeko) Scathach Scuba\_Ben septimus Silver Jan SisterCoyote Special Ed Suburban Plankton TexCat Weedy (subbed for Hirka T’Bawa) Zeriel ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1699 "2011-08-22T19:28:51Z")
Quick! Vote pwnsall before it’s too late! ---
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1700 "2011-08-22T19:32:59Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Quick! Vote pwnsall before it’s too late! This actually might not be the worst idea ever. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1701 "2011-08-22T19:34:23Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > The whole post is based on being dismissive of the case against Scuba\_ben. I am _not_ dismissing the case. Rather my feeling is that I had a better place for my vote and tried to hint (using a tiny number of words) at why I wasn’t “feeling” the case agianst Scuba Ben. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=84) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=86)