# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 86
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1702 "2011-08-22T19:34:26Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I’m not sure what kind of answer you are expecting but isn’t the goal to win? Or are you asking for more of a strategy response? thank og. now there are three of us that know what we are doing. course, one is most likely scum but it is helpful. hey, **gad** notice how i didn’t use one of the forbidden words? do i get any kind of attaboy? ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1703 "2011-08-22T19:35:31Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > I cannot keep up with the subs! Did \*\*pizza \*\*sub in for someone? He’s the only one I cannot account for in my list o’ players. SEE POST 1668 ATPG is AskThePizzaGuy ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1704 "2011-08-22T19:36:40Z")
It’s probably the best case we have at the moment. pwnsall must die because of his name. I’m totally cereal. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1705 "2011-08-22T19:37:32Z")
Reposting for the top of the page: **OFFICIAL CURRENT PLAYER LIST** (Thanks to LightFoot) Astral Rejection Askthepizzaguy (subbed for PetW) Blaster Master brewha bufftabby crackedquads Dancecat DonkTimesFour (subbed for sachertorte) Drain Bead Episkey Giraffe gnarlycharlie Idle Thoughts Inner Stickler LightFoot lilflower MykBot NAF1138 Normal Phase peekercpa Precambrianmollusc pwnsall (subbed for TimeLady) sangaman (subbed for Meeko) Scathach Scuba\_Ben septimus Silver Jan SisterCoyote Special Ed Suburban Plankton TexCat Weedy (subbed for Hirka T’Bawa) Zeriel ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1706 "2011-08-22T19:45:45Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Fraid I disagree. > > Townies should do their damndest to get actual suspects lynched. Plopping a do-nothing vote on Brewha by itself does the town absolutely no good, and doesn’t frighten any wolves either. > > [ul] > [li]Putting your vote on people who could actually be lynched, and/or[/li][li]Campaigning for someone’s lynch but abandoning that for secondary or tertiary suspects that may get lynched[/li][/ul] > Are both ways of pressuring the scums as effectively as I can. I will defend the way I play 7 ways from Sunday, and I have very solid ground to challenge you on this. I’m just now trying to catch up but jesus fucking christ someone who isn’t from 2p2 agrees with me, hooraayayyayayayyayay. I’ve already went around and around in circles on this issue during the end of the first day and through night, read it for some lols. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1707 "2011-08-22T19:49:35Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > Sooo…you targeted **krayz** , before the Day ended? Is this what you’re saying? Still not at the end but no. ---
**Author:** ![crackedquads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@crackedquads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crackedquads)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1708 "2011-08-22T19:57:47Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > You keep asking that like it means something. Even in the unlikely/improbable (the phrasing of the rules makes me think it’s impossible) event that **mykbot** was silenced, you can’t even be remotely sure that _you’re_ the one who did it. > > Yeah, that would be a pretty good Wolf ploy, huh? > > I’m going to **vote peeker** at the moment. I’d like to think that a town **peek** wouldn’t play in such an anti-Town fashion. I know he’s over-the-top on a regular basis, but this is over-the-top-of-the-top. All this noise feels like a scum (or possibly neutral) ploy, one that only **peeker** could pull off. > > I still find **silver jan** as suspicious as I did yesterDay, and the **scuba ben** case is quite believable, but as of right now, **peeker** has _earned_ my vote. > [@TexCat](#): > > Krayz (7): Drain Bead [489], Meeko/sangaman [493], [del]Scuba\_Ben [498][/del], Mahaloth [540], Idle Thoughts [706], LightFoot [717], Scuba\_Ben [736], Precambrianmollusc [771] > TexCat (5): Inner Stickler [473], lilflower [494], MykBot [586], gnarlycharlie [636], Normal Phase [739] > Silver Jan (5): special ed [487], DanceCat [513], Episkey [617], bufftabby [795], Blaster Master [820] > peekercpa (4): Giraffe [301], [del]special ed [313][/del], NAF1138 [337], [del]Scuba\_Ben [379][/del], Silver Jan [484], crackedquads [743] > > The vote leaders from yesterday. Let’s look at the timing for these wagons. > At around post 400, peeker was way in the lead with 4 votes and seemed to be gaining speed, TimeLady and Giraffe had a couple. Fast forward ahead to about post 600 and what do we have? Krayz has suddenly picked up 3 or 4 votes (4 until Ben unvoted), peeker is now down to 3, I have picked up 3, and SilverJan has a couple. I speculate that a scummy peeker was in trouble and that scum took a scattergun approach to an opposing bandwagon, and that Krayz, SilverJan, and I were in front of the scattergun. I suspect we will find 1 or 2 scum on all of us, who might have changed had peeker continued getting heat. At the end, Krayz was simply the easiest vote. Several people had stated that they couldn’t see any case on me and voting for me might entail explaining the case. > > Let’s look at who the scum on these scatterwagons might be. First we know that Mahaloth was on Krayz. Ben moved from peeker to Krayz. I think it unlikely that Ben was bussing peeker and I am assuming for this scenario that peeker is scum. Meeko/sangaman was an early vote. Meeko was struggling to get caught up in the thread, and yet voted for Krayz. > > On me, we have InnerStick and lilflower. I looked at the voters on me here: [1412](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14163046&postcount=1412) and looked further at Inner here [1475](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14164642&postcount=1475). I presented a similar case yesterday when I was trying to get peeker lynched over krayz. I don’t think a single person listened to me, and that only increases the likelihood that peeker is a wolf imo. Plus killing him off is going to stop him from spamming the hell out of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1709 "2011-08-22T19:58:08Z")
I am now at the end. I sent in 2 players names last night and I got a result on my 2nd player. With that knowledge I just haven’t got it in me to make a case against anyone else and if I tried to make a case against that player then that player would know that I know something about him which he doesn’t want me to know. I think I will be NK’d after this post but hopefully I won’t be mislynched. There is still another day to go so I won’t say anything at the moment. I am sooooo bad at keeping secrets :smack: ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1710 "2011-08-22T19:58:59Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Still not at the end but no. Then I’m confused. Your first target lived, but your alternate was your result? ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1711 "2011-08-22T19:59:23Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I am just answering as I read so things are going to be out of sequence. No I did not target\*\* Scuba Ben\*\* but I was asked to send in the name of an alternate player in case the person I targeted was lynched. I did not get a result of the first person but I DID get a result on the second person. Still happy with your vote **Zeriel**? BTW it wasn’t\*\* Zeriel\*\* either. Yes, I am. I have no reason, as yet, to trust these mysterious messages floating around that are claimed to not relate to the recipient’s night action. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1712 "2011-08-22T20:01:37Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I am now at the end. I sent in 2 players names last night and I got a result on my 2nd player. With that knowledge I just haven’t got it in me to make a case against anyone else and if I tried to make a case against that player then that player would know that I know something about him which he doesn’t want me to know. I think I will be NK’d after this post but hopefully I won’t be mislynched. There is still another day to go so I won’t say anything at the moment. I am sooooo bad at keeping secrets :smack: This may be the most anti-town post I’ve seen in a long time. “I have a magic bag, and I know the identity of someone who I should make a case against, but I’m not going to say anything, and maybe I’ll get nightkilled instead of mislynched.” ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1713 "2011-08-22T20:02:42Z")
> [@crackedquads](#): > > I presented a similar case yesterday when I was trying to get peeker lynched over krayz. I don’t think a single person listened to me, and that only increases the likelihood that peeker is a wolf imo. Plus killing him off is going to stop him from spamming the hell out of this thread. I wasn’t sure yesterDay. Peeker tends to be noisy, but that’s just his personality. As the game has progressed, his posts have struck me more and more as intentional noise. I think part of the intent is to elicit a reaction of “Scum wouldn’t want to attract so much attention to themselves.” ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1714 "2011-08-22T20:02:55Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > Then I’m confused. Your first target lived, but your alternate was your result? There was no result on my 1st target _shrugs_ I don’t know why not. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1715 "2011-08-22T20:03:49Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Yes, that’s the bandwagon analysis I’ve been slogging through the posts working on. > > So, here’s where I get confused. Say **Peeker** is scum and his scum buddies orchestrate a couple more bandwagons to save him. If we’re on the high side of scum - there could be 9 of those 21 votes belonging to scum - so that’s very possible. > > What I don’t get is **Krays’** defense of **Peeker**. He calls out three people as wolves when they voted\*\* peeker\*\* - though he said that his intention was not to call out peeker voters exclusively. > > We know **Krays** is town. I think we can assume that he got lynched to save one of the other lead vote getters. I’m just not convinced that\*\* Peeker\*\* was the scum that was saved. > > Of course, there’s would be no way for **Krays** to know **Peekers** alignment since we know he was town. Something just seems out of place here. > I dont’ think **Texcat** was the other wagon since I don’t think she had any votes at all when the band waggoning started. I’ve got to see where **SilverJan** fits in all this chronologically. > > I know I dont’ have anything conclusive in this post, but I want to see what others think. I took **Texcat** ’s list of lynch candidates (just the four she posted earlier) and put them in order. I’m not sure if other votes or the voting/unvoting would make the analysis results very different but actually, but my first thought is that this does look like a bandwagon that could have been to save **Texcat**. I guess it depends on how you define “when the band wagonning started.” Giraffe [301] peekercpa (1) NAF1138 [337] peekercpa (2) Inner Stickler [473] TexCat (1) Silver Jan [484] peekercpa (3) special ed [487] Silver Jan (1) Drain Bead [489] \*\*Krayz \*\*(1) Meeko/sangaman [493] \*\*Krayz \*\*(2) lilflower [494] TexCat (2) DanceCat [513] Silver Jan (2) Mahaloth [540] \*\*Krayz \*\*(3) MykBot [586] TexCat (3) Episkey [617] Silver Jan (3) gnarlycharlie [636] TexCat (4) Idle Thoughts [706] \*\*Krayz \*\*(4) LightFoot [717] \*\*Krayz \*\*(5) Scuba\_Ben [736] \*\*Krayz \*\*(6) Normal Phase [739] TexCat (5) crackedquads [743] peekercpa (4) Precambrianmollusc [771] \*\*Krayz \*\*(7) bufftabby [795] Silver Jan (4) Blaster Master [820] Silver Jan (5) It would probably be worthwhile to look at all the voting from yesterDay in order (including unvotes) and if someone has already done this and posted it, I apologize but I must have missed it. Maybe I’ll try it myself - it will give me a good reason to re-read Day 1. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1716 "2011-08-22T20:04:39Z")
What made you send in a second target, **Jan**? ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1717 "2011-08-22T20:07:12Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > This may be the most anti-town post I’ve seen in a long time. > > “I have a magic bag, and I know the identity of someone who I should make a case against, but I’m not going to say anything, and maybe I’ll get nightkilled instead of mislynched.” I was going to identify him before EOD but as you think I should do it now, OK **Gnarlycharlie** is a WOLF! There take it or leave as you wish and now everyone else will come down on me like a ton of bricks. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1718 "2011-08-22T20:08:18Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > What made you send in a second target, **Jan**? I was asked to by the Mod. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1719 "2011-08-22T20:09:21Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I am now at the end. I sent in 2 players names last night and I got a result on my 2nd player. With that knowledge I just haven’t got it in me to make a case against anyone else and if I tried to make a case against that player then that player would know that I know something about him which he doesn’t want me to know. I think I will be NK’d after this post but hopefully I won’t be mislynched. There is still another day to go so I won’t say anything at the moment. I am sooooo bad at keeping secrets :smack: What? Why did you feel the need to say anything at all if you aren’t going to act on it. If you feel like the person you have something on is worth making a case against, don’t you think town should know that? In other words, do you think you found a scum? That’s the only conclusion I can make given this post, otherwise why would you make a case against someone who you didn’t think was scum. And so now you think you will be NK’d but you still aren’t saying anything? I would totally vote for you except **Scuba Ben** claims to know you are town. Based on what we discussed regarding **Idle** ’s claim, even if \*\*Ben \*\*is scum, it’s probably not likely that you are as well. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1720 "2011-08-22T20:11:48Z")
oh and **Vote Gnarlycharlie** and I have been looking at **Tex** because in his post 1412 he gave **gnarly** an easy out for voting for him.\*\* Weedy\*\* is my other suspect. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1721 "2011-08-22T20:12:08Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I was going to identify him before EOD but as you think I should do it now, OK **Gnarlycharlie** is a WOLF! There take it or leave as you wish and now everyone else will come down on me like a ton of bricks. Oh, **Jan**. Did you not read anything yesterDay? You should have at least tried to make a case before posting your magic bag crap. At least you know your role. Let’s hope someone else figures out they are a protector. \*\*vote gnarlycharlie \*\* [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=85) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=87)