# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 87
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1722 "2011-08-22T20:15:00Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > oh and > > **Vote Gnarlycharlie** > > and I have been looking at **Tex** because in his post 1412 he gave **gnarly** an easy out for voting for him.\*\* Weedy\*\* is my other suspect. blue please šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1723 "2011-08-22T20:15:08Z")
omfg claiming with one peek makes me want to break things ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1724 "2011-08-22T20:15:14Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I was going to identify him before EOD but as you think I should do it now, OK **Gnarlycharlie** is a WOLF! There take it or leave as you wish and now everyone else will come down on me like a ton of bricks. Are you sure? And thereā€™s no chance of misdirection or your power not working or some other kind of possible muck up? If not.. **Unvote Scuba Ben** **Vote gnarlycharlie** ---
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1725 "2011-08-22T20:16:10Z")
thereā€™s no maj in this game since itā€™s a mishmash, right? ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1726 "2011-08-22T20:16:58Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I was asked to by the Mod. If thatā€™s true, then I fully expect to see you sanctioned for sharing that with us. > [@Gadarene](#): > > **PMs:** > > As should be apparent, Personal messages (PMs) will play an important part in this game. Please do not quote specific PMs in the thread or\*\* talk about any specific communications from the moderators. \*\*We will not hesitate to modkill for this infraction. [bolding mine] ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1727 "2011-08-22T20:17:29Z")
Except I donā€™t really know my role, it was the second name I put down that I got a result on. It could have been a redirect or anything. A lot of players think I am scum anyway ā˜¹ If I had started a case on **Gnarly** he would have suspected something right away. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1728 "2011-08-22T20:18:48Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > If thatā€™s true, then I fully expect to see you sanctioned for sharing that with us. > > [bolding mine] WOW ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1729 "2011-08-22T20:21:56Z")
**UPDATED DAY TWO VOTE COUNT** Through post #1727 Scuba\_Ben (5): Blaster Master [1109], Drain Bead [1190], Suburban Plankton [1449], Weedy [1452], Scathach [1499], [del]Idle Thoughts [1507][/del] peekercpa (3): Giraffe [1320], bufftabby [1646], septimus [1664] Giraffe (2): Normal Phase [1157], [del]peekercpa [1267][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1341][/del], Astral Rejection [1547], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1548][/del], [del]peekercpa [1588][/del] Weedy (2): Scuba\_Ben [1586], Askthepizzaguy [1590] gnarlycharlie (2): [del]Weedy [1279][/del], lilflower [1720], Idle Thoughts [1723] Silver Jan (1): Zeriel [1126] Blaster Master (1): sachertorte [1135], [del]septimus [1367][/del] Episkey (1): crackedquads [1552] DonkTimesFour (1): peekercpa [1663] Askthepizzaguy (0): [del]peekercpa [1524][/del] Precambrianmollusc (0): [del]Idle Thoughts [1143][/del] Brewha (0): [del]Askthepizzaguy [1256][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1472][/del] Please PM me with any corrections. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1730 "2011-08-22T20:23:41Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Except I donā€™t really know my role, it was the second name I put down that I got a result on. It could have been a redirect or anything. A lot of players think I am scum anyway ā˜¹ If I had started a case on **Gnarly** he would have suspected something right away. So what? Maybe in having to respond to a case against him, he would have outed himself. And by the way, just because some players think you are scum that doesnā€™t mean you shouldnā€™t make cases against other players. In fact, if I think someone is scum and is more interested in defending themselves than finding other scum, Iā€™m even more convinced of their scumminess. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1731 "2011-08-22T20:24:22Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Yes, thatā€™s the bandwagon analysis Iā€™ve been slogging through the posts working on. > > So, hereā€™s where I get confused. Say **Peeker** is scum and his scum buddies orchestrate a couple more bandwagons to save him. If weā€™re on the high side of scum - there could be 9 of those 21 votes belonging to scum - so thatā€™s very possible. > > What I donā€™t get is **Kraysā€™** defense of **Peeker**. He calls out three people as wolves when they voted\*\* peeker\*\* - though he said that his intention was not to call out peeker voters exclusively. > > We know **Krays** is town. I think we can assume that he got lynched to save one of the other lead vote getters. Iā€™m just not convinced that\*\* Peeker\*\* was the scum that was saved. > > Of course, thereā€™s would be no way for **Krays** to know **Peekers** alignment since we know he was town. Something just seems out of place here. > I dontā€™ think **Texcat** was the other wagon since I donā€™t think she had any votes at all when the band waggoning started. Iā€™ve got to see where **SilverJan** fits in all this chronologically. > > I know I dontā€™ have anything conclusive in this post, but I want to see what others think. If we assume that peeker is scum, and that krayz, silverjan, and I are town, then we need to look mostly at the votes made while peeker was still in trouble. After peeker is out of danger, scum would vote mainly just try to stay out of the limelight. Iā€™ll look at the timing in detail: At [363](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14150824&postcount=363): peekercpa (3): Giraffe [301], special ed [313], NAF1138 [337] MykBot (2): Zeriel [21], TimeLady [24] TimeLady (2): sachertorte [211], Suburban Plankton [352] [379](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14151000&postcount=379) ScubaBen votes peeker. This is where I think scum swung into action to save peeker. [383](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14151072&postcount=383) peeker votes Giraffe [386](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14151124&postcount=386) DrainBead votes Guiri [418](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14151369&postcount=418) krayz votes Giraffe ā€œprobably not changing. also didnā€™t read past this at all yet, but this is as bad as it gets.ā€ [459](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14151629&postcount=459) texcat votes Mykbot [473](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14151915&postcount=473) Inner votes texcat [484](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14152283&postcount=484) SilverJan votes peeker. Now peeker has 5 votes with no one really close. Perhaps now scum is really going into action. [487](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14152346&postcount=487) Ed votes SilverJan (I never saw an unvote of peeker) [489](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14152351&postcount=489) Drain, having previously unvoted Guiri, now votes krayz [493](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14152405&postcount=493) Meeko pops in and votes krayz [494](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14152495&postcount=494) lilflower votes texcat [498](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14152667&postcount=498) Ben unvotes peeker, votes krayz [vote count 501](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14152726&postcount=501)This leaves us at peeker(3), krayz(3) and a bunch at 1 and 2 votes. At 484 peeker gets the 5th vote, and then there is a quick flurry of votes. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1732 "2011-08-22T20:26:40Z")
> [@Dancecat](#): > > thereā€™s no maj in this game since itā€™s a mishmash, right? Correct. > [@bufftabby](#): > > If thatā€™s true, then I fully expect to see you sanctioned for sharing that with us. **MODERATOR NOTE** Youā€™re technically right. However, I can see this becoming a big mess, so let me head it off at the pass by clarifying: Silver Jan sent me her n1 target before the end of d1, as she is allowed to do in the OP (see the provision for conditional targets). I then PMed her asking her to name a second target in the event that her first target was no longer alive by the end of d1 (this is also provided for in the OP). She did so. _ **You should not infer anything about Silver Janā€™s alignment from this.** _ As with peeker, this same situation could/would have arisen regardless whether Silver Jan is town, scum, or neutral. Now letā€™s not discuss it any further, please. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1733 "2011-08-22T20:27:26Z")
You do realize that your claim of knowing Charlie is a wolf means nothing until heā€™s lynched right? And, even then, youā€™re only semi confirmed. Wolves have been known to bus teammates to gain town cred. Crap, youā€™ve put the town in a spot SilverJan. If you are the seer and Charlie is scum, youā€™ve certainly put a target on your back tonight. And, I donā€™t know that our doctor knows that he/she is a doctor. I guess we canā€™t find out for sure unless Charlie hangs tonight. Am I missing anything here? Unless Iā€™m persuaded otherwise, **Vote GnarelyCharlie** ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1734 "2011-08-22T20:27:46Z")
**Jan** ā€™s claim makes no logical sense to me. > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I am just answering as I read so things are going to be out of sequence. No I did not target\*\* Scuba Ben\*\* but I was asked to send in the name of an alternate player in case the person I targeted was lynched. I did not get a result of the first person but I DID get a result on the second person. Still happy with your vote **Zeriel**? BTW it wasnā€™t\*\* Zeriel\*\* either. > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I was going to identify him before EOD but as you think I should do it now, OK **Gnarlycharlie** is a WOLF! There take it or leave as you wish and now everyone else will come down on me like a ton of bricks. > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Except I donā€™t really know my role, it was the second name I put down that I got a result on. It could have been a redirect or anything. A lot of players think I am scum anyway ā˜¹ If I had started a case on **Gnarly** he would have suspected something right away. She says she needed a second target in case her first target was lynched. People arenā€™t lynched at Night. I could buy that the role had some sort of delayed reaction if this was the sum of it, IOW a Night action that doesnā€™t take place until the following Night. But she already has a result. So where would being lynched ever come in? ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1735 "2011-08-22T20:27:55Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I was going to identify him before EOD but as you think I should do it now, OK **Gnarlycharlie** is a WOLF! There take it or leave as you wish and now everyone else will come down on me like a ton of bricks. This whole Magic Bag thing rubs me the wrong way, as as youā€™re one of the people I think the **Krayz** wagon may have been constructed to save. Frankly, Iā€™m inclined to believe youā€™re saying you have this information because you know youā€™re probably next on the block, especially if **Ben** flips scum and youā€™re the scum he and **Mahaloth** were trying to save. However, you identify someone as a wolf, which means if youā€™re telling the truth, heā€™s a wolf and we should lynch him if heā€™s not a wolf, then youā€™re lying and thus youā€™re a wolf (or a PFK) and we should lynch you. So, tell us, why should we lynch him first and not you since, between the two of you, youā€™re the only one I have a read on, and itā€™s bad. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1736 "2011-08-22T20:27:55Z")
**Vote Gnarlycharlie** @ **Bufftabby** you have really upset me. you asked me a question and I answered it and now you jump all over me. I found that really nasty! ---
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1737 "2011-08-22T20:30:03Z")
I want to lynch outside the claim, but I donā€™t see that idea getting any support here. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1738 "2011-08-22T20:30:26Z")
Huh, **Vote GnarlyCharlie** Iā€™ll sort the rest of my thoughts out later. I donā€™t do as well taking the game in large chunks as I do when I can keep up as it goes. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1739 "2011-08-22T20:30:57Z")
Glad I read the whole thread before I responded. Was convinced by a couple of things to switch to peeker, but if weā€™ve got an identified Scum, letā€™s get him gone. Question because Iā€™m posting from my phone: who said earlier that they got the message SJ was Town. Was it Idle? Who reported the same about Dancecat? **unvote Scuba Ben vote gnarlycharlie** Jesus that was a pain in the ass. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1740 "2011-08-22T20:31:04Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > **Vote Gnarlycharlie** > > @ **Bufftabby** you have really upset me. you asked me a question and I answered it and now you jump all over me. I found that really nasty! Remember, itā€™s just a game. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1741 "2011-08-22T20:31:26Z")
> [@Dancecat](#): > > I want to lynch outside the claim, but I donā€™t see that idea getting any support here. Make your case. You never know. At this point I am willing to listen to what you have to say. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=86) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=88)