# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 89
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1762 "2011-08-22T20:44:29Z")
[oog]While this thread is busy, I’m going to take a moment to shamelessly plug this: I’m going to start a mafia game tomorrow and see if we can run an entire game in just 3-4 HOURS. Yes, hours. I’m taking a page from the POGer’s turbo games and want to see how it fares with this bunch. 😛 POGers can feel free to play in it too, though. So please sign up [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=621313), if you wish to play. (Please? Haha. I could use the players right now. I need about five-seven more) I know some might be hesitant already being in a game of this size, but this (quick) game will mostly be mindless fun that will be over (probably) in three hours (since there will be THREE GAME DAYS in one hour).[/oog] ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1763 "2011-08-22T20:44:57Z")
NETA: Holy crap, there were _46 posts_ while I was writing that! ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1764 "2011-08-22T20:45:43Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Did anyone else target gnarlycharlie last night? It might be best if no one answered that. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1765 "2011-08-22T20:47:25Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Is **Scuba Ben** also claiming that tonight he gets two Night targets, or was I reading that wrong? I believe he claimed that he got a power boost so he gets two targets Tonight. Oh, and he also got a message just like the one **Idle** got that says that **Silver Jan** is Town. But I also believe he neither had anything to do with his actual power. Damn, there’s something really bizarre going on, here but I can’t tell what it is. I’m gonna have to run through all the possibilities and see what makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1766 "2011-08-22T20:47:30Z")
**SilverJan** , did you tell us if your first target was dead? Sorry if I missed it. Also I’d like to repeat my question on whether anyone else targeted **gnarly** last night? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1767 "2011-08-22T20:49:01Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > Wait, guys, why the sudden switch? There’s no reason to believe **Silver Jan** over, inevitably, **GnarlyCharlie** ’s “she’s lying” response. If she’s telling the truth, and we lynch him first, great. If she’s lying and he turns up town, then we just lynch her Tomorrow. Her claim doesn’t tell us anything by itself and cannot be verified without lynching someone else. > > That said, since we now know that one of them is definitely a wolf, I think it’s probably in our best interest to lynch one of them Today, and we can always lynch **Scuba\_Ben** later; however, I don’t think it should necessarily follow that it should be **GnarlyCharlie** and not **Silver Jan** , and I’m inclined toward the latter. So… > > **Vote Silver Jan** > > Bottom line, you may be a Seer , but at this point you’re not doing us any good since the scum already know if you’re lying or not, so you might as well not hold the magic bag and tell us what you know without obfuscation. Seriously **Blaster Master**? Seriously? :dubious: You’re willing to kill off a potential Seer because you don’t believe her? That has to be one of the most eyebrow-inducing plays I’ve ever seen. What logic are you having where you lynch the PERSON CLAIMING THEY’VE FOUND A WOLF over the ACCUSED WOLF themselves? I don’t know what you’re on, but seriously, you want to obviously lynch **gnarly** here if EITHER of the two! If he’s Town, THEN lynch Jan…but if he’s wolf–well, yeah, that doesn’t automatically excuse her from being a wolf too–but it sure acts as a pretty big point in her favor. I don’t really understand your reasoning to lynch the person reporting they found scum first. I’m not one to like to use the “FOS” line, but, hell, FOS **Blaster Master** if I’ll ever FOS anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1768 "2011-08-22T20:49:56Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > **SilverJan** , did you tell us if your first target was dead? Sorry if I missed it. > > Also I’d like to repeat my question on whether anyone else targeted **gnarly** last night? My first target didn’t die that’s why I thought it could have been a redirect so I’m probably not a seer. I think I got a result that should have gone elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1769 "2011-08-22T20:50:18Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > NETA: Holy crap, there were _46 posts_ while I was writing that! Ah, I’m guessing it had something to do with this… > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I was going to identify him before EOD but as you think I should do it now, OK **Gnarlycharlie** is a WOLF! There take it or leave as you wish and now everyone else will come down on me like a ton of bricks. OK, if this is true and **gnarlycharlie** is a wolf, I strongly recommend we lynch **peeker** tomorrow: **gnarly** put a fourth vote on **TexCat** when there was a three-way tie between him, **peeker** , and **Krayz** (Town). **unvote peeker** **vote gnarlycharlie** ---
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1770 "2011-08-22T20:50:49Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > Wait, guys, why the sudden switch? There’s no reason to believe **Silver Jan** over, inevitably, **GnarlyCharlie** ’s “she’s lying” response. If she’s telling the truth, and we lynch him first, great. If she’s lying and he turns up town, then we just lynch her Tomorrow. Her claim doesn’t tell us anything by itself and cannot be verified without lynching someone else. > > That said, since we now know that one of them is definitely a wolf, I think it’s probably in our best interest to lynch one of them Today, and we can always lynch **Scuba\_Ben** later; however, I don’t think it should necessarily follow that it should be **GnarlyCharlie** and not **Silver Jan** , and I’m inclined toward the latter. So… > > **Vote Silver Jan** > > Bottom line, you may be a Seer , but at this point you’re not doing us any good since the scum already know if you’re lying or not, so you might as well not hold the magic bag and tell us what you know without obfuscation. This logic is so terrible I can’t even find the words to describe it. If you don’t want to lynch gnarlycharlie, that’s totally cool (I don’t especially want to lynch him either), but suggesting that we resolve Silver Jan instead of forcing the wolves to do it is probably the worst play we can make. ---
**Author:** ![bufftabby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bufftabby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bufftabby)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1771 "2011-08-22T20:51:28Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Also I’d like to repeat my question on whether anyone else targeted **gnarly** last night? I’d like to repeat that it might be best if no one answered that. If someone else targetted **gnarly** they possess a power that Town would probably like to keep. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1772 "2011-08-22T20:51:37Z")
> [@lilflower](#): > > Oh, **Jan**. Did you not read anything yesterDay? You should have at least tried to make a case before posting your magic bag crap. At least you know your role. Let’s hope someone else figures out they are a protector. I am confused. Why would a Detective role need to send _two_ targets? And is there any concern that **Silver Jan** might indeed be Town but victimized by some misdirection? Nevertheless, **Unvote** \*\*Vote: gnarlycharlie \*\* Should someone want to Protect **Silver Jan** , I’ll mention again that I felt protected last Night. (I assume this was inadvertent; that someone targeted me who hoped he/she was a Vig!) ---
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1773 "2011-08-22T20:53:17Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I am confused. Why would a Detective role need to send _two_ targets? And is there any concern that **Silver Jan** might indeed be Town but victimized by some misdirection? Nevertheless, > > **Unvote** > \*\*Vote: gnarlycharlie \*\* > > Should someone want to Protect **Silver Jan** , I’ll mention again that I felt protected last Night. (I assume this was inadvertent; that someone targeted me who hoped he/she was a Vig!) enlarged and underlined for importance. anybody who targeted septimus last night should target Jan tonight. Or maybe Pizza. But probably Jan. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1774 "2011-08-22T20:56:47Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > You know, typically that isn’t what happens right? Usually if someone claims to have caught scum the claim is tested with a lynch fairly well right away. True, but I still like to question everything. If \*\*Jan \*\*is going to be NK’d toNight (which is very likely), I think it’s good to get as much information as we can from her. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1775 "2011-08-22T20:57:28Z")
I wanted to wait for gnarlycharlie to wake up, and I have to be away for a couple of hours, but I think I need to explain now. gnarlycharlie and I are masons. He targeted me last night. We are both villagers, per our role reveal from the mod to both of us. I know that someone targeted gnarly last night and it was not an investigative role. I’m sure gnarly will be along in a few hours to confirm this, and I will be back soon. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1776 "2011-08-22T20:58:46Z")
**NAF also said he felt safe last Night.** ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1777 "2011-08-22T21:00:47Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I wanted to wait for gnarlycharlie to wake up, and I have to be away for a couple of hours, but I think I need to explain now. > > gnarlycharlie and I are masons. He targeted me last night. We are both villagers, per our role reveal from the mod to both of us. I know that someone targeted gnarly last night and it was not an investigative role. I’m sure gnarly will be along in a few hours to confirm this, and I will be back soon. If you’re both masons, why did he vote for you? ---
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1778 "2011-08-22T21:01:29Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I wanted to wait for gnarlycharlie to wake up, and I have to be away for a couple of hours, but I think I need to explain now. > > gnarlycharlie and I are masons. He targeted me last night. We are both villagers, per our role reveal from the mod to both of us. I know that someone targeted gnarly last night and it was not an investigative role. I’m sure gnarly will be along in a few hours to confirm this, and I will be back soon. Let me be the first to say that this is bullshit. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1779 "2011-08-22T21:01:53Z")
NETA: That’s a serious question – I have never been a mason, but can’t imagine why that would be good strategy. ---
**Author:** ![Dancecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Dancecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dancecat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1780 "2011-08-22T21:02:32Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > If you’re both masons, why did he vote for you? god damn my pony is slow. nice job giraffe. This forum requires that you wait 60 seconds between posts. Please try again in 35 seconds. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1781 "2011-08-22T21:02:56Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I wanted to wait for gnarlycharlie to wake up, and I have to be away for a couple of hours, but I think I need to explain now. > > gnarlycharlie and I are masons. He targeted me last night. We are both villagers, per our role reveal from the mod to both of us. I know that someone targeted gnarly last night and it was not an investigative role. I’m sure gnarly will be along in a few hours to confirm this, and I will be back soon. Damn, this is becoming confusing to follow. I have to say, if it’s two scum claiming Mason, it’s a good play because it’s incredibly freaking risky. Speaking as scum who has claimed Mason (with another scumbuddy), though, I know it’s sometimes a chance scum will take (I think it happened in another game too). Huh. If that’s true, then either: 1. Silver Jan is lying on purpose 2. Silver Jan got an incorrect result due to her being an insane cop or some other such role 3. Silver Jan was fed wrong info (due to some other outside force/redirect/target). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=88) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=90)