# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 91
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1802 "2011-08-22T21:21:25Z")
**UPDATED DAY TWO VOTE COUNT** Through post #1800 gnarlycharlie (8): [del]Weedy [1279][/del], lilflower [1720], Idle Thoughts [1723], brewha [1732], Silver Jan [1735], NAF1138 [1737], Drain Bead [1738], Giraffe [1768], septimus [1771] Scuba\_Ben (3): [del]Blaster Master [1109][/del], [del]Drain Bead [1190][/del], Suburban Plankton [1449], Weedy [1452], Scathach [1499], [del]Idle Thoughts [1507][/del] Giraffe (2): Normal Phase [1157], [del]peekercpa [1267][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1341][/del], Astral Rejection [1547], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1548][/del], [del]peekercpa [1588][/del] Weedy (2): Scuba\_Ben [1586], Askthepizzaguy [1590] Silver Jan (2): Zeriel [1126], Blaster Master [1759] Blaster Master (1): sachertorte/DonkTimesFour [1135], [del]septimus [1367][/del] peekercpa (1): [del]Giraffe [1320][/del], bufftabby [1646], [del]septimus [1664][/del] Episkey (1): crackedquads [1552] DonkTimesFour (1): peekercpa [1663] TexCat (1): Dancecat [1787] Askthepizzaguy (0): [del]peekercpa [1524][/del] Precambrianmollusc (0): [del]Idle Thoughts [1143][/del] Brewha (0): [del]Askthepizzaguy [1256][/del], [del]Askthepizzaguy [1472][/del] Please PM me with any corrections. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1803 "2011-08-22T21:25:20Z")
Anyway, it’s really late so any more questions will have to wait a few hours, I am off to bed. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1804 "2011-08-22T21:27:57Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > Any disagreements with my possibly lynch scenarios? Frankly, it seems to me the the possible results favor lynching **Jan** , even if she is our Seer and we’re wrong, we traded her for two scum. I’d agree with you absent any other information, but the fact that one of the supposed masons voted for the other on Day one makes me think it’s more likely that **Jan** is telling the truth than they are. I can’t see any reason at all why a Town mason would vote for the one person they knew was confirmed Town, particularly when it makes them the vote leader. I suspect that **TexCat** forgot about that vote when she revealed her supposed Masonry with **gnarlycharlie** , hence her current silence. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1805 "2011-08-22T21:29:15Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > If you’re both masons, why did he vote for you? According to \*\*TexCat’s \*\*claim, \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*targeted \*\*TexCat \*\*on _Night 1_; that’s when they discovered that they were Masons together. In that case, the fact that \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*voted for \*\*TexCat \*\*on _Day 1_ is completely irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1806 "2011-08-22T21:29:42Z")
Out of game, but I think **Texcat** is a guy. : p ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1807 "2011-08-22T21:30:17Z")
Okay, I see that **Jan** gave us more. So, **Jan** , did you get two results? It seems like the others who got messages also claimed they got a result or non-result. I’m also not really comfortable lynching a supposed mason, especially since he hasn’t been in to actually make a claim. Anyway, now that I’m a bit less panicked, here’s what I think might be happening. Either **Jan** is scum and saw the message that **Idle** claimed and her (and **Ben** , whom I’d theorize is her scum partner) thought they were caught and figured they could at least drag someone down with them. The other possibility is that she’s telling the truth and the scum think she’s the Seer, so **TexCat** panicked and claimed mason with **Gnarly** to try to get us to lynch her first instead. Overall, I’m thinking we have either a **TexCat/Gnarly** scum pair or **Ben/Jan** pair. Anyway, in light of this new information and Jan opening her bag, I’ll unvote… **Unvote Silver Jan** ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1808 "2011-08-22T21:31:22Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > According to \*\*TexCat’s \*\*claim, \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*targeted \*\*TexCat \*\*on _Night 1_; that’s when they discovered that they were Masons together. In that case, the fact that \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*voted for \*\*TexCat \*\*on _Day 1_ is completely irrelevant. I think that’s too quaint, myself. While not impossible, it sounds like something someone would say as an excuse/out and to make it harder to show they’re lying. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1809 "2011-08-22T21:35:24Z")
It’s way past my bedtime here in the Land of Smiles but I clicked to refresh this thread before shutting down and … Wow! I definitely think we deserve more details about this alleged Masonry. Do you have a private board? How does TexCat know about the targeting of Charlie last night? It would seem too daring to be a Scum ploy so I’m going to slow down the bandwagon until this gets clearer. Meanwhile, there was a strange-seeming vote from the one who pinged my intuition earlier, so **Unvote** \*\*Vote: Blaster Master \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1810 "2011-08-22T21:38:26Z")
Let me make sure I have this right, regarding\*\* Silver Jan\*\*: Jan submitted a target for her Night 1 action _before the end_ of the Day. Jan is asked to submit a conditional 2nd target in case her first target is lynched at the end of the Day. Jan submits a second target, who is **gnarlycharlie**. Jan’s first target is _not lynched_ at the end of the Day. Jan receives a message stating that \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*is a Wolf. Assuming she is telling the truth, then her Night action targeted someone other than gnarlycharlie, which means: [ul] [li]Jan’s action was somehow redirected[/li][li]Jan’s action went through with no visible effect, and\* someone else\* targeted Jan with a completely unrelated action that sent her a message regarding gnarlycharlie’s alignment.[/li][li]There is a Seer whose results were sent to Jan for some reason.[/li][li]Some other explanation?[/li][/ul] Any way you slice it, it’s a rather strange coincidence that Jan happened to receive information on the player that was her conditional 2nd target (who, according to the setup, she did \*not \*actually target). ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1811 "2011-08-22T21:39:41Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I wanted to wait for gnarlycharlie to wake up, and I have to be away for a couple of hours, but I think I need to explain now. > > gnarlycharlie and I are masons. He targeted me last night. We are both villagers, per our role reveal from the mod to both of us. I know that someone targeted gnarly last night and it was not an investigative role. I’m sure gnarly will be along in a few hours to confirm this, and I will be back soon. **Texcat** , are you absolutely certain that you and \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*are both Town? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1812 "2011-08-22T21:41:23Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > hey **buff** heard from **mykbot** lately? **peeker** , help me out here. I understand why you keep pointing out \*\*Mykbot’s \*\*continued silence, but what does \*\*bufftabby \*\*have to do with it? ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1813 "2011-08-22T21:46:19Z")
I got called in to work today, and don’t have time to read the thread, so I have no idea what’s going on. From the last few posts, it looks like gnarlycharlie and Texcat have claimed mason, and Silver Jan is calling gnarly scum. I got a message in the night that Texcat was a mason, and town. I don’t know why I got it, because I didn’t target her. I know a couple more things about how it works, but I will save that for once I have read the thread to see if it useful to reveal. I’ll be back in 12 hours or so. **vote Silver Jan** , because I believe gnarly and texcat right now. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1814 "2011-08-22T21:47:59Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I think that’s too quaint, myself. While not impossible, it sounds like something someone would say as an excuse/out and to make it harder to show they’re lying. I agree. I think at this point I’m inclined to believe that the Mason claim seems a little convenient. Not to mention, **TexCat** was another possible person that the **Krayz** wagon may have been engineered to save, so it’s not unlikely that she saw this claim, knowing that it would largely clear **Jan** , and that **Ben** would probably still go down eventually, so she would be the obvious candidate for who the **Krayz** wagon was saved. So, she might as well put her neck on the line now and hope to get a potential Seer dead. The risk here is losing a possible mason, but it also seems to be a pretty good fit for the events of Yesterday and Today. So, we need to settle this out. I’d still like to hear from **Charlie** though. **Vote GnarlyCharlie** > [@septimus](#): > > It’s way past my bedtime here in the Land of Smiles but I clicked to refresh this thread before shutting down and … Wow! > > I definitely think we deserve more details about this alleged Masonry. Do you have a private board? How does TexCat know about the targeting of Charlie last night? > > It would seem too daring to be a Scum ploy so I’m going to slow down the bandwagon until this gets clearer. Meanwhile, there was a strange-seeming vote from the one who pinged my intuition earlier, so > **Unvote** > \*\*Vote: Blaster Master \*\* Hey, big surprise given your earlier lazy vote, that you’d rather put it on me than resolve a fairly obvious scenario where we can catch two scum. An awful lot of smudging on me with no substance at all since you voted me earlier in the day for my vote on **Ben**. You’re striking me as an overly defensive scum seeing his team going down in flames right now. I’ll have to do an analysis of you after we get all this crap sorted out. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1815 "2011-08-22T21:48:03Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > According to \*\*TexCat’s \*\*claim, \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*targeted \*\*TexCat \*\*on _Night 1_; that’s when they discovered that they were Masons together. In that case, the fact that \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*voted for \*\*TexCat \*\*on _Day 1_ is completely irrelevant. Ah, I read **TexCat** ’s post about the role reveal to mean that their roles were revealed at the outset. Rereading the post shows that your interpretation makes more sense: > [@TexCat](#): > > gnarlycharlie and I are masons. He targeted me last night. We are both villagers, per our role reveal from the mod to both of us. I know that someone targeted gnarly last night and it was not an investigative role. I’m sure gnarly will be along in a few hours to confirm this, and I will be back soon. **gnarly** ’s vote on **TexCat** is then consistent with a Night 1 target, since from his vote we know he suspected her of being scum and thus would target her if he thought he might be a Vig / Seer. So I think that puts us back to a he said/she said between Jan and gnarly+TexCat. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1816 "2011-08-22T21:51:17Z")
Current confusion mason? Sez TexCat= TexCat town? Sez Idle= Dancecat town? Sez who? (I forgot who said so) =Silver Jan wolf? Sez Jan/ mason? Sez TexCat= gnarlycharlie ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1817 "2011-08-22T21:51:59Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > [Texcat’s claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14169614&postcount=1774) > > It’s also possible that one of our dead folks was the recipient of the info. I can also see plenty of reasons why a living person wouldn’t share that they’d received any info. Thanks. I can’t believe I totally missed that. Something to think about, too. Now **Dancecat** ’s vote does make some sense. Obviously someone is lying. The question is whose lynch is most likely to gain us the most information. As for the rest of your post, you are correct. It’s also possible that if there is a second role like that, they were blocked the first Night. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1818 "2011-08-22T21:52:44Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Current confusion > mason? Sez TexCat= TexCat > town? Sez Idle= Dancecat > town? Sez who? (I forgot who said so) =Silver Jan > wolf? Sez Jan/ mason? Sez TexCat= gnarlycharlie lolcats post = I cannot parse it ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1819 "2011-08-22T21:54:26Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > I got a message in the night that Texcat was a mason, and town. I don’t know why I got it, because I didn’t target her. So: **Texcat** claims he and **Gnarly** are masons. **Weedy** gets a PM saying **Texcat** is a mason. **Jan** gets a PM saying **Gnarly** is a wolf. Are you serious, **Weedy**? You’re not just “fakepeeking” because you believe one over the other, right? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1820 "2011-08-22T21:55:17Z")
Oh, and as I said before, I’m pretty sure **Texcat** is MALE ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1821 "2011-08-22T21:55:29Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > I got a message in the night that Texcat was a mason, and town. I don’t know why I got it, because I didn’t target her. I know a couple more things about how it works, but I will save that for once I have read the thread to see if it useful to reveal. Holy crap, things just keep getting more interesting. Given the number of players that are reporting information like this (alignments of players they didn’t investigate), I’ll go ahead and add my own data point to the pile: I got a message during the night that Blaster Master is a **Villager**. I did not target him – this was mentioned after giving the outcome of my Night action. Question #1: quite a few people have received unsolicited alignment information on other players. Can we be sure all this information is accurate? Question #2: who do we lynch? I’m inclined to not lynch **gnarlycharlie** at this point, now that two separate players claim to have received mod information that confirms his status as Town mason. Which I guess leaves **Jan** , though I’m not sure what we conclude if she flips Town apart from the fact that these messages are untrustworthy… **unvote gnarlycharlie** **vote Silver Jan** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=90) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=92)