# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 96
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1902 "2011-08-23T00:23:11Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Meh. I’m not all that hot on it, although I’ll certainly do it if it comes to that. > My worry is that tomorrow the same problem will still be there, though, with nothing new to help decide anyone’s mind nor any new info (like if someone’s lying, if people shouldn’t trust the PMs, etc) to help. Let me help clarify: [ul] [li]Game with all night action roles and lots of players = odds of paranoid/naive/insane cops are HIGH[/li][li]Game with paranoid/insane cops means that someone is going to claim someone else is guilty on Day Two.[/li][li]What day is it?[/li][li]Did they claim cop?[/li][/ul] Gnarlycharlie is 95% innocent. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1903 "2011-08-23T00:25:56Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Remember that of the 5 ‘alignment reveals’ we have had Today, exactly \*zero \*of them concerns the player that the claimant actually targeted last Night, This means (assuming for the moment that all of the claimants are Town) that none of these people is actually a Cop…or that if any of them is a Cop, the fact that they received an alignment result is coincidental to their Role. It may well be the case that the ‘real’ Cops are not receiving their own results… This. Bingo. They could be 5 Oracles, or whatever they’re called. They investigate folks but the results go out to random people, not to the cops themselves. ---
**Author:** ![DonkTimesFour](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ea924/32.png) [@DonkTimesFour](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DonkTimesFour)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1904 "2011-08-23T00:27:44Z")
there were a lot of random peeks in the other game that were flying around to people who didn’t target the person they got the peek on and often the peeks were wrong so don’t take much heed on the peeks imo ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1905 "2011-08-23T00:29:44Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Let me help clarify: > [ul] > [li]Game with all night action roles and lots of players = odds of paranoid/naive/insane cops are HIGH[/li][li]Game with paranoid/insane cops means that someone is going to claim someone else is guilty on Day Two.[/li][li]What day is it?[/li][li]Did they claim cop?[/li][/ul] > > Gnarlycharlie is 95% innocent. You think all of those points are a “yes” in favor of, but 1. Most players in this game didn’t even seem to know what an insane cop was, as rarely as it’s used, so I’d think that would be a point in favor of it NOT being a role in this game. But that’s just me playing devil’s advocate to you…I do agree that there’s a CHANCE there could be, so it’s a non-issue. 4 is a no, though, Silver Jan did not claim cop of any kind. Are you thinking she did? If so, why do you think that? I digress, though, **unvote Silver Jan**. Vote Scuba Ben. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1906 "2011-08-23T00:30:52Z")
I’d like to see a few more eyes on Inner Stickler, if anyone is looking for a possible lynch candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1907 "2011-08-23T00:32:09Z")
OMGWTFBBQ. I picked the wrong night to drink most of a bottle of wine. I have no clue what to do right now. Oof. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1908 "2011-08-23T00:33:41Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > This. Bingo. > > They could be 5 Oracles, or whatever they’re called. They investigate folks but the results go out to random people, not to the cops themselves. But there’s no way all of them are right. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1909 "2011-08-23T00:36:25Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Oh, and not to stir the peeker assumption pot, but this is now the third full day that mykbot hasn’t posted (he hasn’t posted once the whole game Day). > > I’m starting to wonder if **Peeker** IS onto something. > > Either **mykbot** has been silenced or he’s in need of a sub, because not posting yet toDay? It is starting to look weird/suspicious. nah. it’s just a result of some stuff. but eye can’t mention it or eye get modkilled and shit. probably will target meyeself manana. give em heck (can eye use that word **gad**?). eye forget there’s whole ton of them eye can’t use anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1910 "2011-08-23T00:36:36Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > You think all of those points are a “yes” in favor of, but > > 1. Most players in this game didn’t even seem to know what an insane cop was, as rarely as it’s used, so I’d think that would be a point in favor of it NOT being a role in this game. But that’s just me playing devil’s advocate to you…I do agree that there’s a CHANCE there could be, so it’s a non-issue. Well, let me put it another way. Gad based this game on the 100-role game elsewhere, he also said he’d be adding different and new roles. Insane cop and paranoid cop and Naive cop are actually not unheard of roles. If they weren’t used in the 100-role game, they’re going to be used here, I’d bet my hat on it. Gad had to have looked up some roles on the mafia wiki for information. There they are… more cop-related roles. Those are night action roles. Bet anything they’re in the game. Want more proof? 5 people claimed to have received peeks. That means what? 5 oracles. > [@](#): > > 4 is a no, though, Silver Jan did not claim cop of any kind. Are you thinking she did? If so, why do you think that? Misremembered. Jan is probably not a cop, just a person the oracle sends data to. Jan doesn’t need protection, she’s just an outlet for the power role’s whispers. **5 oracles, 1 normal, 1 paranoid, 1 naive, 1 insane, and probably, one scumbag making shit up.** > [@](#): > > I digress, though, **unvote Silver Jan**. > > Vote Scuba Ben. I still think the Scuba\_ben case is meh. But I’m not going to defend him, he’s better than the gnarlycharlie lynch. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1911 "2011-08-23T00:40:55Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > But there’s no way all of them are right. Precisely. The \*\*naive oracle \*\*always gets innocent results. The naive cop can figure out they’re naive eventually… they should claim if they’ve done 4-5 innocent results in a row. That means they’re either naive or sane and then those results matter. The **sane oracle** should claim as soon as they hit a guilty party, or 4-5 results into the game. But remember, the oracles don’t need to claim as their results are being anonymously sent to us, so maybe they never need to claim. The **insane oracle** always gets backwards results, and can quickly figure out that they are insane, because they’re going to get guilty, guilty, guilty, innocent, guilty results. Their results are useful. The \*\*paranoid oracle \*\*will always get guilty results no matter what. The **mafia oracle** will lie. They will likely tell people that folks are innocent, innocent, then guilty to screw with us and cause a mis-lynch. Hell, we have 5 results. Let’s look at them and see if we can’t see if we can learn anything. **What were the 5 results again?** ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1912 "2011-08-23T00:41:17Z")
eye’m still voting for **giraffe**. at least that is for sure scum. donuts (eye think that is allowed). ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1913 "2011-08-23T00:41:35Z")
I don’t know if it’s bugging anybody else, but the absence of Supposed Mason \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*is starting to bug me. I understand he’s playing in 4 games, and perhaps his participation would be light because of that, but we haven’t heard from him here since yesterday (Sunday) morning. Considering that he’s been a topic of discussion, you’d think he might want to make an appearance, or that his fellow Mason might have PM’d him to say “get your butt over here” at some point. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1914 "2011-08-23T00:41:49Z")
For people who don’t know (since ATPG didn’t say) A normal cop is self explanatory. An insane one always gets the wrong read (so if they investigate Town, they get a read of scum, if they investigate a scum, they get a read of Town). A naive one always gets a read of “Town”, no matter what. A paranoid one always gets a read of “Scum”, no matter what. And when it’s put like that (five peeks and five possible cop roles), it does make more sense and seem likely. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1915 "2011-08-23T00:42:16Z")
NETA: D’oh, and there’s ATPG in his next post explaining it too. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1916 "2011-08-23T00:42:36Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > eye’m still voting for **giraffe**. at least that is for sure scum. donuts (eye think that is allowed). Actually, you’re currently voting for **DonkTimesFour**. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1917 "2011-08-23T00:44:35Z")
I need assistance figuring this out. Can someone volunteer to work directly with me on solving this? I’ll just talk to you, and we’ll solve it together, so we don’t spam up the board and I feel like I’m talking to no one in particular. Regardless of what you do with gnarly or Scuba, this is important stuff and I need someone who can help me walk through the scenarios, because my brain is not as organized as it should be. **I need a volunteer or volunteers. Please respond directly to this post indicating you want to engage me on solving this.** ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1918 "2011-08-23T00:45:17Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Precisely. > > The \*\*naive oracle \*\*always gets innocent results. The naive cop can figure out they’re naive eventually… they should claim if they’ve done 4-5 innocent results in a row. That means they’re either naive or sane and then those results matter. > > The **sane oracle** should claim as soon as they hit a guilty party, or 4-5 results into the game. But remember, the oracles don’t need to claim as their results are being anonymously sent to us, so maybe they never need to claim. > > The **insane oracle** always gets backwards results, and can quickly figure out that they are insane, because they’re going to get guilty, guilty, guilty, innocent, guilty results. Their results are useful. > > The \*\*paranoid oracle \*\*will always get guilty results no matter what. > > The **mafia oracle** will lie. They will likely tell people that folks are innocent, innocent, then guilty to screw with us and cause a mis-lynch. > > Hell, we have 5 results. Let’s look at them and see if we can’t see if we can learn anything. > > **What were the 5 results again?** I got **Dancecat** as Town **Giraffe** got **Blaster** as Town **Scuba** got **Silver Jan** as Town **Weedy** got **Texcat** as Town (and Mason) **Silver Jan** got **gnarlycharlie** as Wolf ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1919 "2011-08-23T00:45:33Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Gad based this game on the 100-role game elsewhere, he also said he’d be adding different and new roles. The game I based this on had 44 people, if I recall correctly. Second part of this sentence is true, tho. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1920 "2011-08-23T00:47:52Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I got **Dancecat** as Town > **Giraffe** got **Blaster** as Town > **Scuba** got **Silver Jan** as Town > **Weedy** got **Texcat** as Town (and Mason) > **Silver Jan** got **gnarlycharlie** as Wolf Hmmmmmm. That’s unusual. You should have at least 2 guilty results. [ul] [li]This means that the sane cop got a town result.[/li][li]This means that the naive cop got a town result (ALWAYS)[/li][li]This means that the paranoid cop scanned gnarly, thus gnarly is INNOCENT (Fact)[/li][li]This means the INSANE COP GOT A INNOCENT RESULT![/li][/ul] One of those innocent results is actually guilty! ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1921 "2011-08-23T00:48:06Z")
I’m going to be thinking out loud for a sec. Jan is Town. –Jan is a real Cop. Charlie, Tex, and possibly Ben are all Scum (the latter because of the message, but I find that a more remote reason than the immediate. –Jan is a paranoid or insane Cop. If paranoid, it tells us nothing about Tex and Charlie (could have been a panicky Scum gambit), if insane, we get two confirmed Town, and Ben starts leaning Town for me. –Jan is Scum. Charlie and Tex are likely Town, Ben is likely Scum. –Jan is Town, not a Cop. We are all fucked and have no clue what to do next. I think we learn more from lynching Jan than we do from lynching Charlie [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=95) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=97)