# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 98
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1942 "2011-08-23T01:05:03Z")
Also, I think it’s time that we hear everything Jan knows that won’t get the mod pissed at her. And with that sentence that took sixteen tries to type, I’m out for the night. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1943 "2011-08-23T01:08:01Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Well, I think we can cross **Texcat** off that list, as she’s claimed Mason and **Weedy** (if **Weedy** is to be believed) got the message he was a Mason last night. Since **Texcat** couldn’t have known Weedy got that (if **Texcat** is to be believed)…I’d say that pretty much shows that **Texcat** is a mason. You may be right, I may be crazy, but it just may be a luuuuuuuuunatic you’re lookin’ for. What if Weedy and TexCat are both scum? Walk me through this, TexCat’s response just made my blood boil. I need to be carefully escorted through the logic that makes her innocent, because my nose is tingling and my fangs are bared. I’m going to bite if we can’t clear her within the next 2 rounds. Look, I know challenging the mason claim makes me look scummy. Have the poisoner target me, don’t care. Just… talk… me… through… this. If we can write ANYONE off as townie, then we have a 1 in 3 chance of lynching scum today, and I wanna be on that wagon. If we can’t write them off then I am going with my instinct and going after the crazy mason claim. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1944 "2011-08-23T01:08:15Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Nah, I didn’t target anyone in this huge kerfuffle. Sorry about the kerfuffle. I did think a few minutes before claiming, but thought that claiming was absolutely pro-town. The kerfuffle I am going to blame on Gad and mostly on MHaye. But you can’t assume that the result you received was true just because you are town. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1945 "2011-08-23T01:09:02Z")
[**Here’s some music for you to listen to as I nearly deduce who is a scumbag out of these 4.**](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie5-LrulBGk) ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1946 "2011-08-23T01:09:29Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Oh fine. You want to believe the crazy mason claim? Okay I’ll look at the others. Recommendation? Look, if you think **Texcat** is scum, then you’ve got to believe **gnarlycharlie** is scum..and probably even Weedy since he got the most specific result. You said so yourself that one of them would have to come from the ACTUAL COP, right? Well, I’d think–if any–the most specific result would be from the real cop. I don’t buy it. I don’t buy that three scum would risk their game with one play. I was ready to vote for gnarly when it was just the two of them against Jan’s word…but three? No way. And I can’t see it coming from you either, especially when you were just saying WE SHOULD ALL GO BACK TO WHO WE WERE VOTING FOR only a few posts ago. What changed between then and now? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1947 "2011-08-23T01:11:42Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Sorry about the kerfuffle. I did think a few minutes before claiming, but thought that claiming was absolutely pro-town. The kerfuffle I am going to blame on Gad and mostly on MHaye. > > But you can’t assume that the result you received was true just because you are town. No, I know that. My point was for **Pizzaguy** , who said that one of the people claiming having gotten a result was scum (at least I THINK he said that…at this point I’m almost lost, pretty much). ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1948 "2011-08-23T01:14:01Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Look, if you think **Texcat** is scum, then you’ve got to believe **gnarlycharlie** is scum..and probably even Weedy since he got the most specific result. You said so yourself that one of them would have to come from the ACTUAL COP, right? Well, I’d think–if any–the most specific result would be from the real cop. I think I just showed that the result on gnarlycharlie had to come from the paranoid cop (always guilty) which means it’s a 95% tell he’s innocent. I think I just showed that the other 4 have a 25% chance of being guilty. And no, the odd claim out is going to be scum. The sane cop is obviously sane if he’s the only one getting useful data. That means there’s no challenge! No challenge means game isn’t balanced. That means the odd claim out came from a scumbag. The sane cop’s results MUST LOOK IDENTICAL to the other 3 cops. The scumbag messed this one up by saying TexCat was a mason, giving too much info. I think I just proved TexCat is guilty. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1949 "2011-08-23T01:15:01Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I wanted to wait for gnarlycharlie to wake up, and I have to be away for a couple of hours, but I think I need to explain now. > > gnarlycharlie and I are masons. He targeted me last night. We are both villagers, per our role reveal from the mod to both of us. I know that someone targeted gnarly last night and it was not an investigative role. I’m sure gnarly will be along in a few hours to confirm this, and I will be back soon. How do you know a) that someone targeted **gnarlycharlie**? b) the person that targeted him was not an investigative role? According to you, \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*targeted \*you \*last Night, so his power must be “finding other Masons”. That means he couldn’t have gotten this information from his own ability. Did you target \*him \*to learn this? Or did this information come from somwhere else? ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1950 "2011-08-23T01:15:29Z")
Wait, no… the Scum cop could also be sane, and just cleared TexCat for us. She’s either guilty or she’s a mason. I concede that point. But I think the odds are better that the odd claim out came from the mafia scum, and since it’s on TexCat, I feel the results are a lie. I don’t like TexCat’s reactions. I think she’s scum. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1951 "2011-08-23T01:17:27Z")
Lynching TexCat gives us **maximum information**. I recommend it. You’re going to find the guilty within 1-2 rounds regardless, and if it’s TexCat, I just saved you the trouble. Trading one mason for one scumbag is worth it, and I have reasons to doubt TexCat. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1952 "2011-08-23T01:18:02Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > The sane cop’s results MUST LOOK IDENTICAL to the other 3 cops. **T\*\*\*\*he scumbag messed this one up by saying TexCat was a mason, giving too much info.** > > I think I just proved TexCat is guilty. Bold/Underline mine And tell me again how anyone would know how to use this power? :dubious: How would anyone–scum or not–be able to give out a specific result different from the rest? You’re talking like they actually had control of it. The rules are pretty clear, a name is submitted for a target and that’s it. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1953 "2011-08-23T01:19:01Z")
Not to mention, how would one even know they HAD this power? Sorry, Pizzaguy, I’m not buying it. You seem like you’re really trying to reach. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1954 "2011-08-23T01:21:05Z")
At some point Gnarly is going to show up and confirm that we are masons. So either we are both scum or neither scum, Pizza. > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > How do you know > > a) that someone targeted **gnarlycharlie**? > b) the person that targeted him was not an investigative role? > > According to you, \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*targeted \*you \*last Night, so his power must be “finding other Masons”. That means he couldn’t have gotten this information from his own ability. Did you target \*him \*to learn this? Or did this information come from somwhere else? a and b) Charlie shared his PM info with me. He received a PM last night that indicated someone had targeted him. I did not target Charlie last night. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1955 "2011-08-23T01:21:30Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I wanted to wait for gnarlycharlie to wake up, and I have to be away for a couple of hours, but I think I need to explain now. > > gnarlycharlie and I are masons. He targeted me last night. We are both villagers, per our role reveal from the mod to both of us. I know that someone targeted gnarly last night and it was not an investigative role. I’m sure gnarly will be along in a few hours to confirm this, and I will be back soon. I’m sorry if you’ve already covered this but I think I missed it (that seems to be my common refrain toDay) but how do you know that someone targeted \*\*gnarly \*\*last Night and it was not an investigative role? ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1956 "2011-08-23T01:22:37Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Bold/Underline mine > > And tell me again how anyone would know how to use this power? :dubious: > > How would anyone–scum or not–be able to give out a specific result different from the rest? > > You’re talking like they actually had control of it. > > The rules are pretty clear, a name is submitted for a target and that’s it. Mmmm… This is a strong point. I don’t know. But, I do know this: The sane cop’s results should look identical to the naive, paranoid, insane cop. The odd cop in this whole mix is either a super-cop (some other cop with extra powers) or a scum cop. I don’t believe that cop at face value. Dethy setup is such that the challenge is in not being able to tell which cop to trust. If you know which cop to trust, there’s zero challenge. As such, I think that cop is a lie. Maybe the results are correct, but they always favor the scumbags. In other words, they clear scumbags and they randomly declare villagers guilty, or something. Granted that’s a stretch, but we haven’t eliminated all possibilities. Okay, I’m willing to let go of TexCat, assuming NOBODY assumes that she’s 100% confirmed innocent, because none of that makes sense to me. The 5 cop setup includes a scumbag. The odd claim out had to come from a scumbag in my view, or we have 6 cops and there’s still someone who hasn’t claimed their oracle information. So before we get ahead of ourselves, has anyone got any oracle info they haven’t claimed? It could be the Dethy 5-cop setup plus a super cop that’s actually more useful. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1957 "2011-08-23T01:24:58Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Sorry, Pizzaguy, I’m not buying it. You seem like you’re really trying to reach. I know what I look like. Give me the benefit of the doubt for now. Assume I’m innocent for the sake of argument. Deduction only works through exhausting all possibilities. We can make a big error if we don’t fully explore shit. That’s why I’m trying to get people to think because I cannot solve this myself, I’ve done that schtick before and it doesn’t work. Just think, that’s all I’m saying. You won’t lynch TexCat on my recommendation, okay, let’s look at the cases against Silver, Blaster, and Dancecat. I’ll gather up their voting history. No matter what I am, scum or town (I’m town) that info is useful. Spare me the suspicion until after I’ve done my job as a townie. ---
**Author:** ![lilflower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ecccb3/32.png) [@lilflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lilflower)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1958 "2011-08-23T01:25:27Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > At some point Gnarly is going to show up and confirm that we are masons. So either we are both scum or neither scum, Pizza. > > a and b) Charlie shared his PM info with me. He received a PM last night that indicated someone had targeted him. > > I did not target Charlie last night. And the PM said it was not an investigator? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1959 "2011-08-23T01:25:55Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > The sane cop’s results MUST LOOK IDENTICAL to the other 3 cops. The scumbag messed this one up by saying TexCat was a mason, giving too much info. > > I think I just proved TexCat is guilty. I’m not going into the whole Sane/Insane/Naive/Etc. Cop thing right at the moment, but the claim that stands out as ‘odd’ is actually **Weedy’s**. **Idle Thoughts** (1120): “DanceCat is a Villager, apparently” \*\*Scuba\_Ben \*\*(1569): “Silver Jan is a Villager.” **Silver Jan** (1716): “Gnarlycharlie is a WOLF!” \*\*Weedy \*\*(1812): “I got a message in the night that Texcat was a mason, and town.” \*\*Giraffe \*\*(1820): “I got a message during the night that Blaster Master is a Villager.” \*\*Weedy \*\*received Alignment _and Role_, while the others received Alignment only. \*\*TexCat’s \*\*claim is altogether different from the rest, as he claims to have been ‘found’ by **Weedy** , and to have received Mod-confirmation that he and \*\*Weedy \*\*are both Town. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1960 "2011-08-23T01:27:23Z")
And having hit’Submit’ instead of ‘Preview’, I noticed just a few seconds late that I missed your point entirely. Instead of refuting it, I \*think \*I just supported it. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1961 "2011-08-23T01:28:19Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > \*\*TexCat’s \*\*claim is altogether different from the rest, as he claims to have been ‘found’ by **Weedy** , and to have received Mod-confirmation that he and \*\*Weedy \*\*are both Town. Very fair point, and I’d be willing to lynch Weedy as well. That does sound odd. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=97) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=99)