# Mystery Mafia -- Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025 "2011-08-17T14:03:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 99
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1962 "2011-08-23T01:29:20Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > And having hit’Submit’ instead of ‘Preview’, I noticed just a few seconds late that I missed your point entirely. Instead of refuting it, I \*think \*I just supported it. Thanks. Don’t trust TexCat or Weedy yet. Their claims are the odd ones out, indicating higher chances of LIE. Not proof, just odds. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1963 "2011-08-23T01:29:20Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > So before we get ahead of ourselves, has anyone got any oracle info they haven’t claimed? > > It could be the Dethy 5-cop setup plus a super cop that’s actually more useful. And I suggest that the super cop’s result got sent to Weedy. Burby, you are confusing Weedy and GnarlyCharlie. GnarlyCharlie is my fellow mason. Weedy received the result that I was a townie mason. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1964 "2011-08-23T01:29:23Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > \*\*TexCat’s \*\*claim is altogether different from the rest, as he claims to have been ‘found’ by **Weedy** , and to have received Mod-confirmation that he and \*\*Weedy \*\*are both Town. You’re mixing things (easy to do right now, believe me). **TexCat** claims that she and **GNARLYCHARLIE** are both Town (and mod confirmed Town)..she says that **Gnarly** found her…not **Weedy. Weedy** doesn’t have anything to do with this other then the fact that he got the message saying **TexCat** was a Town Mason. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1965 "2011-08-23T01:30:18Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Very fair point, and I’d be willing to lynch Weedy as well. That does sound odd. ’ Um, hello? Are you all on drugs? **GNARLYCHARLIE** , you mean…not **Weedy**. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1966 "2011-08-23T01:31:08Z")
Gah, I believe gnarlycharlie is townie. Crap crap crap. Okay… benefit of the doubt on TexCat for now, but man, I feel like I’m being played like a fiddle. Let me go gather the vote histories like I said I would. This is nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1967 "2011-08-23T01:32:48Z")
I am disliking the underlying assumption here that we have one of each possible cop type. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1968 "2011-08-23T01:33:38Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > shoot on a shingle. > > **unvote all** > > **vote giraffe**. Wait a minute. I just got it. Peeker, did you get a message last Night saying I was scum? That would totally explain your out-of-nowhere obsession with me. As a bonus, not only would it let at least me know that some of the messages are false, but I could go back to entertaining the possibilit that you’re Town. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1969 "2011-08-23T01:36:56Z")
I don’t understand what the kerfluffle is here. We have four town claims, and one wolf claim. We have a few mason claims, one of which conflicts with the wolf claim. Each of the people making claims says that they got their result from someone else. **Vote gnarlycharlie**. Town manages to talk themselves out of lynches all the time. People are worried about hitting a potential mason, or following the lead of a paranoid cop, and I believe those worries are baseless. Gnarly presents the best current opportunity. Here’s why: \*\*1) Silver Jan says gnarly is a wolf. \*\* We have three options: Silver is correct, Silver is wrong, or Silver is lying. The simplest current explanation is that Silver is telling the truth. Pizza is worried about paranoid cops, and advises us to look elsewhere. If we do that, we’ll still be wondering about gnarly, and we’ll still eventually have to deal with the situation. I don’t see any value in ignoring a claim like this. **2) Paranoid docs aren’t worth worrying about.** If our various claims are to be believed, all of these results were sent by someone else. We currently have no way of tracking who got which result from whom. If tomorrow I get a result from someone that says Idle Thoughts is Scummy McScumpants, did I get it from the paranoid cop? The sane cop? Some other flavor of cop? Do I just ignore it, and stick with my own read on him? It kinda sounds like that’s what you’re advocating. We currently have no direct evidence of a paranoid (or otherwise) cop. Gnarly’s lynch will either give us that evidence, or kill a wolf. **3) Scanning gnarly with more cops is worthless.** Presumably, our own cops either don’t know their roles yet, or don’t know what kind of flavor they are. Assuming our cops decided to speak up, we’d (again) get a mix of innocent and guilty results. And then we’d have to lynch him anyway, which will have wasted a ton of cop reads, since we STILL wouldn’t know the difference between paranoid or insane, or honest or naive. **4) A mason is worth less than a seer.** I’d rather kill a claimed mason than a claimed seer. Actually, I’d rather not lynch either, but in this case their claims are directly opposed with each other. If we ignore gnarly, and Silver is being honest, she’s an obvious target for scum to kill. Does the doc protect her? Maybe not, since he isn’t sure if she’s innocent or not. With gnarly dead, we’re a step closer to knowing her alignment, and other roles (if they know enough about themselves) can act accordingly. Doing it the other way is just silly. **5) TexCat might be wrong.** And I don’t even mean she might be lying. I didn’t quite understand what she was saying about PMs, and I can’t find it now, but if I understand her correctly, she got her information about gnarly’s innocence in a PM from… gnarly. Hardly an unbiased source. If I’m misremembering, and TexCat claimed to get her info from Gadarene, disregard this part. I will add that a wolf hidden amongst the masons does not sound unreasonable to me in a game this size. We’d be a step closer towards clearing our other mason claimants if Gnarly ends up dead (unless they’re wolves too. FPS, maybe?) Long story short, we need to know gnarly’s team. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1970 "2011-08-23T01:37:10Z")
**unvote all vote: Dancecat** Looking through these posts now. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1971 "2011-08-23T01:38:12Z")
Holy crap, 20 some-odd posts in time it took me to write that? Sorry if I’m repeating something said elsewhere, then. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1972 "2011-08-23T01:39:13Z")
A real vote would be helpful, too. **Vote gnarlycharlie.** ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1973 "2011-08-23T01:39:22Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > **5) TexCat might be wrong.** And I don’t even mean she might be lying. I didn’t quite understand what she was saying about PMs, and I can’t find it now, but if I understand her correctly, she got her information about gnarly’s innocence in a PM from… gnarly. Hardly an unbiased source. If I’m misremembering, and TexCat claimed to get her info from Gadarene, disregard this part. I will add that a wolf hidden amongst the masons does not sound unreasonable to me in a game this size. We’d be a step closer towards clearing our other mason claimants if Gnarly ends up dead (unless they’re wolves too. FPS, maybe?) > > Long story short, we need to know gnarly’s team. Yes, I received info about Gnarly from Gad. Disregard this part. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1974 "2011-08-23T01:39:38Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > At some point Gnarly is going to show up and confirm that we are masons. So either we are both scum or neither scum, Pizza. > > a and b) Charlie shared his PM info with me. He received a PM last night that indicated someone had targeted him. > > I did not target Charlie last night. So now \*\*\*charlie \*\*\*has an unknown benefactor who informs him when someone targets him? And tells him specifically that it was not an investigative power? And where is \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*so that I can ask \*him \*these questions?!? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1975 "2011-08-23T01:40:51Z")
Astral’s opinion resonates with me. I like the idea of untangling the gordian knot by slicing it in half. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1976 "2011-08-23T01:41:39Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > ’ > > Um, hello? Are you all on drugs? > > **GNARLYCHARLIE** , you mean…not **Weedy**. At this point, I think drugs could only help… ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1977 "2011-08-23T01:42:09Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > So now \*\*\*charlie \*\*\*has an unknown benefactor who informs him when someone targets him? > > And tells him specifically that it was not an investigative power? > > And where is \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*so that I can ask \*him \*these questions?!? Charlie rec’d a message that he felt safe last night. I assume that a doc targeted him. and gah, I wish I knew where he was. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1978 "2011-08-23T01:42:57Z")
So the same as NAF and septimus felt. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1979 "2011-08-23T01:43:33Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I don’t understand what the kerfluffle is here. > > We have four town claims, and one wolf claim. We have a few mason claims, one of which conflicts with the wolf claim. 1. **Texcat** claims that **gnarly** is a Mason. 2. **Weedy** claims that he was told **gnarly** is a Mason. 3. I’m guessing gnarly will say he’s a Mason. So that’s three people saying gnarly is a Mason to one person (Jan) saying gnarly is a wolf. Forgive me if I think that maybe the one person is lying scum rather than the other three (who’d be taking a huge risk). If I were to vote for anyone in that big mess, it’d be for **Silver Jan**. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1980 "2011-08-23T01:45:05Z")
I know gnarlycharlie personally, and he lives on the other side of the world. He’ll be on when we’re all asleep. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025/1981 "2011-08-23T01:46:01Z")
Fair enough. But remember, _mason and wolf are not contradictory._ There’s nothing stopping gnarly from being a scum mason. TexCat could be wrong or lying. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=98) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mystery-mafia-game-thread/593025.md?page=100)