# Nader: Unsafe on Any Ballot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 3, 2004, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nader-unsafe-on-any-ballot/272736 "2004-11-03T12:57:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jinx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Jinx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jinx)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nader-unsafe-on-any-ballot/272736/1 "2004-11-03T12:57:25Z")
Nader is a spoiler again in NM and other states where he’s on the ballot. Voting for Nader is REALLY throwing your vote away. If you want to make a difference or cast a protest vote, you SHOULD HAVE VOTED KERRY! Vote Nader? :smack: :smack: :smack: What were you thinking? - Jinx ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nader-unsafe-on-any-ballot/272736/2 "2004-11-03T12:59:34Z")
> [@Jinx](#): > > Nader is a spoiler again in NM and other states where he’s on the ballot. Voting for Nader is REALLY throwing your vote away. If you want to make a difference or cast a protest vote, you SHOULD HAVE VOTED KERRY! > Vote Nader? :smack: :smack: :smack: > What were you thinking? > > - Jinx What? You didn’t like my vote for Chandler Bing? ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nader-unsafe-on-any-ballot/272736/3 "2004-11-03T13:00:41Z")
And I don’t like the fact that I quoted him in the first response… :smack: ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nader-unsafe-on-any-ballot/272736/4 "2004-11-03T13:02:24Z")
Now that the Red Sox have won, the only guy with an 86 year losing streak is Nader. ---
**Author:** ![Coil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Coil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coil)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nader-unsafe-on-any-ballot/272736/5 "2004-11-03T13:04:56Z")
Pardon a stupid forriner, but what are you talking about? From [C-Span](http://network.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2004/general/national/pres.html?SITE=CSPANELN&SECTION=POLITICS) Bush 335,311 Kerry m 323,691 Nader 3,574 Badnarik 2,130 Cobb 1,093 Peroutka 691 Even if Kerry had had all the Nader votes he still wouldn’t have won in NM. Looking through the results for all states it seems that the Nader votes didn’t affect the outcome anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![davenportavenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f8ce5/32.png) [@davenportavenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davenportavenger)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nader-unsafe-on-any-ballot/272736/6 "2004-11-03T13:05:19Z")
Nah, he’s not a spoiler in NM. He only got 3500 votes there, the gap was 12,000. I seriously don’t understand who the fuck would vote for Nader this time around, after the stuff he’s said on CNN. If you’re gonna vote for a third party or an independent, at least vote for one that stands for something, that’s not just running on hatred and stubborness alone. Nader’s totally off his rocker. And I did vote for the guy once. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nader-unsafe-on-any-ballot/272736/7 "2004-11-03T13:05:54Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Now that the Red Sox have won, the only guy with an 86 year losing streak is Nader. That’s funny. Seriously, I don’t think we can blame Nader. The American people were snowed. Plain and simple. Now my son will have an enormous debt to pay off, shit for an education, and no job. Anyone know how to immigrate to New Zealand? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nader-unsafe-on-any-ballot/272736/8 "2004-11-03T13:27:45Z")
Why not vote for Nader? He was the only Democrat on the ticket anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nader-unsafe-on-any-ballot/272736/9 "2004-11-03T13:28:47Z")
> [@Maus Magill](#): > > That’s funny. > > Seriously, I don’t think we can blame Nader. The American people were snowed. Plain and simple. > > Now my son will have an enormous debt to pay off, shit for an education, and no job. > > Anyone know how to immigrate to New Zealand? Yeah. Get on a fucking boat. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nader-unsafe-on-any-ballot/272736/10 "2004-11-03T15:10:06Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Yeah. Get on a fucking boat. Those are my fears and concerns. And New Zealand is my hyperbole. I predict really bad things for the future of my country. On the bright side, however, I don’t think any of my predictions has ever been remotely correct. Sort of a reverse Cassandra Complex: I have absolutely no ability to predict the future, and (luckily) no body beleives me. ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nader-unsafe-on-any-ballot/272736/11 "2004-11-03T20:42:05Z")
> [@Jinx](#): > > Nader is a spoiler again in NM and other states where he’s on the ballot. Voting for Nader is REALLY throwing your vote away. If you want to make a difference or cast a protest vote, you SHOULD HAVE VOTED KERRY! > Vote Nader? :smack: :smack: :smack: > What were you thinking? > > - Jinx It is the right of every voting citizen to chose whom ever they wish. Even if their candidate has no chance of winning. Hopefully, if there is ever enough votes for the third, forth, etc… partys, they’ll actually have a good chance in 20 years. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nader-unsafe-on-any-ballot/272736/12 "2004-11-03T21:16:10Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Why not vote for Nader? He was the only Democrat on the ticket anyway. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nader-unsafe-on-any-ballot/272736/13 "2004-11-04T03:02:58Z")
He’s losing it. I heard him on C-span earlier and he said something like “The sun is the earths mother” and then I turned it off. So, really, he did say that. ---
**Author:** ![Netbrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71e660/32.png) [@Netbrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Netbrian)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nader-unsafe-on-any-ballot/272736/14 "2004-11-04T07:42:17Z")
No matter how nice it might seem, I don’t think the Democrats can blame this one on Nadar with any chance whatsoever of having it believed. Barring future revelations, fraud and confusing ballots can be ruled out too. The people have spoken, and they said loudly, clearly, and unequiviobly “We hate gay!” ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nader-unsafe-on-any-ballot/272736/15 "2004-11-04T07:44:21Z")
> [@vanilla](#): > > He’s losing it. > I heard him on C-span earlier and he said something like “The sun is the earths mother” and then I turned it off. > So, really, he did say that. In a very real way, he’s right. The sun is the coalescence of the central mass of a spiral of hydrogen. It’s gravity helped to form the earth. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nader-unsafe-on-any-ballot/272736/16 "2004-11-04T13:32:26Z")
> [@ParentalAdvisory](#): > > It is the right of every voting citizen to chose whom ever they wish. Even if their candidate has no chance of winning. Hopefully, if there is ever enough votes for the third, forth, etc… partys, they’ll actually have a good chance in 20 years. Yes, look at all the third parties that have had political success and are now players in our national game: the Bullmoose Party, the Dixiecrats, the Reform Party. Where would our politics be if it weren’t for their presence in the national debate? Oh, wait, they all faded into obscurity. Why? Because our system does not permit third parties. It was designed with that very purpose in mind. Voting for a third party will not help the party now, and it will not do so in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nader-unsafe-on-any-ballot/272736/17 "2004-11-04T14:01:05Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > Yes, look at all the third parties that have had political success and are now players in our national game: the Bullmoose Party, the Dixiecrats, the Reform Party. Where would our politics be if it weren’t for their presence in the national debate? Without women’s sufferage and slavery abolition, for starters. > [@](#): > > Oh, wait, they all faded into obscurity. Why? Because our system does not permit third parties. It was designed with that very purpose in mind. Voting for a third party will not help the party now, and it will not do so in the future. Yeah, you’re right. A vote for anything other than a Whig or Tory is a wasted vote. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nader-unsafe-on-any-ballot/272736/18 "2004-11-04T17:46:23Z")
> [@Coil](#): > > Pardon a stupid forriner, but what are you talking about? > From [C-Span](http://network.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2004/general/national/pres.html?SITE=CSPANELN&SECTION=POLITICS) > Bush 335,311 > Kerry m 323,691 > Nader 3,574 > Badnarik 2,130 > Cobb 1,093 > Peroutka 691 > > Even if Kerry had had all the Nader votes he still wouldn’t have won in NM. Looking through the results for all states it seems that the Nader votes didn’t affect the outcome anywhere. Hell, if Kerry had won all the votes for anybody-not-W, he still would have lost NM. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nader-unsafe-on-any-ballot/272736/19 "2004-11-04T18:37:58Z")
> [@Netbrian](#): > > No matter how nice it might seem, I don’t think the Democrats can blame this one on Nadar with any chance whatsoever of having it believed. Barring future revelations, fraud and confusing ballots can be ruled out too. The people have spoken, and they said loudly, clearly, and unequiviobly “We hate gay!” 😃 They said, “We hate that guy who attacked our country…Saddam - no, wait…it’s on the tip of my tongue…”