# NajaNivea/Michael Vick/boar Hunting/Pitbulls **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 28, 2009, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277 "2009-11-28T22:23:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2009, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277/41 "2009-11-29T20:57:08Z")
> [@valleyofthedolls](#): > > It’s absolutely insane that on a board whose motto is “fighting ignorance since 1973” and whose members routinely pat themselves on the back for their intelligence, this thread exists. > > NajaNivea begins a thread in Great Debates about the myths surrounding pit bulls > > Flying Dutchman, Magellan01, Gonzomax, Left Hand of Dorkness, Wholebean, Dropzone and Czarcasm (and Independentminded although his writing and limited thought processes are very similar to Gonzomax so maybe he’s just a sock) all enter the thread because as everyone knows, pit bulls are Satan’s pets and must be stopped before they do any more damage to the very fabric of our society. > > To prove their assertions, they’ve got nothing but urban legends, faulty generalizations and even more faulty documentation and research on their side. They think, however, if they keep repeating the same tired myths it will somehow prove something. > And it doesn’t. Not when factual research and logic are applied. > > So what happens, Flying Dutchman starts a thread in the pit because if you can’t win, then the best thing to do is evade and distract. > > So now we get: > > NajaNivea is involved on a national board of directors for boar hunting therefore pit bulls are evil. > NajaNivea is involved on a national board of directors for boar hunting therefore she is evil just like Michael Vick (oh yeah, and pit bulls are evil). > NajaNivea is involved on a national board of directors for boar hunting therefore she wants to be mean and cruel to pit bulls just like Michael Vick (oh yeah and pit bulls are evil). > > And then of course, Gonzomax comes in with more asinine comments (did you not get enough oxygen in your incubator?), Boyo Jim joins the fray and though his argument is moronic does manage to spare us the usual plug for his win in the Edward Bulwer-Lytton contest. Magellan01, just like Gonzo, has to write something pointless because he can’t think of anything intelligent to say and Left Hand of Dorkness does his usual “I love animals and I’m a moral person and I like to talk about my feelings and pit bulls are evil and anything that I think is a pit bull is a pit bull no matter what the AKC, UKC, ADBA or DNA tests say and no I don’t see any hypocrisy in wanting all these dogs to die all the while decrying how horrible blood sports are.” > > But how is this fighting ignorance? Not with a stupid post like that. ---
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2009, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277/42 "2009-11-29T21:32:36Z")
I’m also not certain about the nature of the pitting. The boar hunting adds nothing to either side of the argument IMHO unless the complaint is that NajaNieva supports using pits to hunt boar. ---
**Author:** ![valleyofthedolls](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a4c791/32.png) [@valleyofthedolls](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/valleyofthedolls)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2009, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277/43 "2009-11-29T21:48:31Z")
> [@BottledBlondJeanie](#): > > I’m also not certain about the nature of the pitting. The boar hunting adds nothing to either side of the argument IMHO unless the complaint is that NajaNieva supports using pits to hunt boar. The genesis of the pitting stems from the spanking NajaNieva gave to the Flying Dutchman in a thread in Great Debates. To save his bruised ego, he decided the best way to respond was to get on his moral high horse and compose a long-winded post comprised of appeals to emotion and ad hominem attacks. Hunting boar is merely a red herring. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2009, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277/44 "2009-11-29T22:31:27Z")
What is there that distinguishes a pit bull? It is not the biggest dog. It does not have the most bite pressure. Nope .it is it’s nature. It will fight, and fight and fight, like no other dog. They just keep on coming. If you find dog fighting a lot of fun you would love that characteristic. If you are on the wrong end of one. it can be terrifying. The argument that a pit bull is 30-60 lbs is absurd. The skinny emaciated show pit might have to be, but that is not what the back yard breeder is after. They breed them as big as they can and as mean as they can. They are still pit bulls. Vick was not breeding show dogs. He was breeding pits though. Vicks dogs are what I am more likely to encounter in the park. I don’t have any interest in boar hunting. That is not what pits are about. They are fighters. ---
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2009, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277/45 "2009-11-29T22:37:56Z")
Thanks valley, I did read the thread. I still don’t see it but I also know where I stand on the debate so maybe that’s why. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2009, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277/46 "2009-11-29T23:05:20Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > What is there that distinguishes a pit bull? It is not the biggest dog. It does not have the most bite pressure. Nope .it is it’s nature. It will fight, and fight and fight, like no other dog. They just keep on coming. If you find dog fighting a lot of fun you would love that characteristic. If you are on the wrong end of one. it can be terrifying. > The argument that a pit bull is 30-60 lbs is absurd. The skinny emaciated show pit might have to be, but that is not what the back yard breeder is after. They breed them as big as they can and as mean as they can. They are still pit bulls. Vick was not breeding show dogs. He was breeding pits though. Vicks dogs are what I am more likely to encounter in the park. > I don’t have any interest in boar hunting. That is not what pits are about. They are fighters. Blah blah fucking blah. Get a new hobby. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2009, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277/47 "2009-11-29T23:10:40Z")
> [@BottledBlondJeanie](#): > > I’m also not certain about the nature of the pitting. The boar hunting adds nothing to either side of the argument IMHO unless the complaint is that NajaNieva supports using pits to hunt boar. I’d say you have a point. As I’ve said before, I can respect the contrary opinions of pitbull apologists who by and large have altruistic motives if not somewhat misguided from my point of view, but **NajaNivea** has , perhaps unwittingly revealed that she has a high position in the promotion of a blood sport that is just as bloody as pitbulls fighting each other in the ring. She brought this up to support the argument that there are dogs more capable of damage than pits while conveniently omitting that pits are commonly used to catch hogs as well. She’s not in the regular “I love pit bulls crowd”. She’s willing to see them torn up. If I had to do it over again, I would have focused more clearly on the blood sport that **NajaNivea** promotes. I had no idea that such a bloody unneccessary sport was allowed to occur in the United States until she informed me. And don’t get me wrong. I have no problem with hunting. But I can’t see the difference between pits fighting pits being immoral and pits fighting boars is okay. Every animal participant is likely to experience bloody trauma. ---
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2009, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277/48 "2009-11-30T00:27:44Z")
That sums it up in a non-frothy way, The Flying Dutchman. Much oliged. I was not aware of such hunting tactics but I cannot say they are surprising. I support your position that it is unecessary violence, but I feel for the dogs more than the razorback. But even a razorback deserves a quick death if possible. Sorry for hijacking. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2009, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277/49 "2009-11-30T02:16:44Z")
Of course, there’s a true bloodsport with dogs and hogs - “hog-dogging”, and it was found recently in my state and others that although there was a law against a dog fighting a dog and a hog fighting a hog, there wasn’t one against the interspecies bloodsport. Obviously, it was promptly banned - I suppose you can call it an outgrowth of the ancient spectacle sport of bear baiting. I think it’s a little disingenuous to call hunting any animal with serious intent a “bloodsport”, in the sense that it confuses the issue. Dogfighting and hogdogging and cockfighting are clearly a whole nother creature from hunting hogs with dogs - I think the actual real bloodsports should be illegal, I just find hunting boar with dogs distasteful. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2009, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277/50 "2009-11-30T02:47:57Z")
> [@valleyofthedolls](#): > > It’s absolutely insane that on a board whose motto is “fighting ignorance since 1973” and whose members routinely pat themselves on the back for their intelligence, this thread exists. > > NajaNivea begins a thread in Great Debates about the myths surrounding pit bulls > > Flying Dutchman, Magellan01, Gonzomax, Left Hand of Dorkness, Wholebean, Dropzone and Czarcasm (and Independentminded although his writing and limited thought processes are very similar to Gonzomax so maybe he’s just a sock) all enter the thread because as everyone knows, pit bulls are Satan’s pets and must be stopped before they do any more damage to the very fabric of our society. Are you really that stupid, or do you just hope nobody will notice that you’re lying? > [@](#): > > NajaNivea is involved on a national board of directors for boar hunting therefore pit bulls are evil. > NajaNivea is involved on a national board of directors for boar hunting therefore she is evil just like Michael Vick (oh yeah, and pit bulls are evil). > NajaNivea is involved on a national board of directors for boar hunting therefore she wants to be mean and cruel to pit bulls just like Michael Vick (oh yeah and pit bulls are evil). None of these are remotely accurate. Try, **NajaNivea** is involved on a national board of directors for boar hunting, therefore **NajaNivea** is evil (or at least a pretty fuckin’ immoral person). ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2009, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277/51 "2009-11-30T02:56:39Z")
I have so misread this thread. I thought it was about setting dogs on bores, which at least should relieve the boredom. Count me as a YES. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2009, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277/52 "2009-11-30T03:08:39Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > Of course, there’s a true bloodsport with dogs and hogs - “hog-dogging”, and it was found recently in my state and others that although there was a law against a dog fighting a dog and a hog fighting a hog, there wasn’t one against the interspecies bloodsport. Obviously, it was promptly banned - I suppose you can call it an outgrowth of the ancient spectacle sport of bear baiting. > > I think it’s a little disingenuous to call hunting any animal with serious intent a “bloodsport”, in the sense that it confuses the issue. Dogfighting and hogdogging and cockfighting are clearly a whole nother creature from hunting hogs with dogs - I think the actual real bloodsports should be illegal, I just find hunting boar with dogs distasteful. So there’s more to it than hunting. I checked out Wiki on [hog dogging](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hog-baiting) Some catch dogs wearing kevlar vests. Not much different from wild boar hunting. In fact, the site tells us that Alabama is actually considering banning the hunting of boar with dogs along with hog dogging. I wonder how that’s going. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2009, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277/53 "2009-11-30T03:23:11Z")
It’s great to be a human. ---
**Author:** ![NajaNivea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@NajaNivea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NajaNivea)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2009, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277/54 "2009-11-30T04:01:30Z")
Sigh. I don’t have the energy to address all of this tonight, but for the express purpose of fighting ignorance on the topic of boar hunting (and my position in the sport): My group doesn’t support or condone “hog dogging” as spectacles where a bunch of rednecks stand around and throw pigs and dogs in pens together. We’re a national organization for boar hunting (in the wild, for sport and for population control). Wild and feral hogs cause more than $800m in damage to US agriculture every year, and that doesn’t even begin to count the losses to private property. They are dangerous, fecund, and very difficult to control with more “humane” methods. One of the major reasons hog hunting with dogs has persisted, despite big-game hunting with other species using dogs largely dying off, is because it’s really the only way they can be effectively caught in any numbers. These animals are fast, largely nocturnal, very large, and very dangerous. They are too smart for routine trapping–you may catch one or two, but the rest will quickly figure it out and you’ll never catch another–and guns are ineffective if you can’t catch up to them on foot. Some people shoot them [out of the back of trucks](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11795865&postcount=21) or from ATVs, but this is not always possible if hunting on undeveloped land, or in states where hunting from motor vehicles is illegal. If you do catch up to them on foot without a good dog around to protect your ass, you sure as hell best hope one doesn’t come up behind you in the dark. I realize that no one who classifies hunting as a “bloodsport” will accept any of this as true, but fortunately, this is of no consequence to the truth. The dogs exist in the sport to find, track, catch, and hold the hog in one place until the human hunter can arrive. Knives are used because bullets flying around in the midst of a pack of dogs is, as anyone can see, asking for trouble. I am, they are right about one thing, totally unapologetic about my connection to the sport of wild boar hunting. Wild and feral hogs serve no useful purpose, they are a dangerous, fertile and destructive species that has quickly spread across nearly all fifty states, sometimes aided and abetted by private landowners. They do serious damage to protected wildlife areas and threaten native species. I’d see 'em all dead, if I could. No chance of that happening, though. They’re very successful, and there’s no easy way to get rid of them. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2009, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277/55 "2009-11-30T04:05:51Z")
> [@valleyofthedolls](#): > > … Boyo Jim joins the fray and though his argument is moronic does manage to spare us the usual plug for his win in the Edward Bulwer-Lytton contest. … Fuck your valley and fuck your dolls. Sure my arguments are moronic, but show me any of these ‘usual’ plugs, shitheel. Oh, you can’t. Upon searching, I found I’ve used ‘Bulwer’ in a post once in the past year, and that wasn’t in referene to my own award. This post makes two. You know that list of words we can’t say? Pick one and apply it to yourself. ---
**Author:** ![NajaNivea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@NajaNivea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NajaNivea)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2009, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277/56 "2009-11-30T04:08:45Z")
…And for anyone drawing a parallel between wild hog hunting and _dog fighting_… well, I don’t quite have words to express the disgust and contempt I feel. I guess a good 'ol “go fuck yourself” is just gonna have to suffice for now. More later. ---
**Author:** ![History\_Mystery\_and\_the\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/53a042/32.png) [@History\_Mystery\_and\_the\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/History_Mystery_and_the_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2009, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277/57 "2009-11-30T11:05:08Z")
I think **NajaNivea** makes the more compelling case here. Just my two cents. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2009, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277/58 "2009-11-30T14:18:42Z")
Well, I think it’s at the very least in extremely poor taste to have Michael Vick’s name in the thread title - I mean, really? ---
**Author:** ![NajaNivea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@NajaNivea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NajaNivea)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2009, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277/59 "2009-11-30T14:20:05Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > I’ll give him the credit for pointing out that larger mastiff breeds get a bye, but he doesn’t realize their number just don’t match the numbers of the breeds under the umbrella of the official and unofficial pit bull designation. He doesn’t understand that when the layman talks pit bulls, he’s most often talking mastiff offshoots. Okay, so now you’ll happily admit that the layman doesn’t know shit about dog breed ID, and that when the layman talks about “pit bulls” he’s most often talking about a phenotype, rather than an actual, specific breed of dog, with an actual, specific breeding history? > [@](#): > > Their size varies . But their morphology is recognizable regardless of size. His arguments focus on the particular officially recognized breeds to point out that the rarer larger mastiff breeds are just as dangerous or more so as officially designated American staffordshire Terriers/American Pit Bull Terriers. And here we see that you’ve been paying no attention to the discussion, whatso-fucking-ever. Rottweilers, German Shepherd Dogs, Chows, Akitas, and so on in no way fall under the classification of “rarer larger mastiff breeds”. Presas and Cane Corsos? Sure, but they’re only a “growing” concern, instead of a well-established one. Their numbers are of no consequence to a discussion about the mythology surrounding pit bulls. Saying that a pit bull is more dangerous than a Presa because there are more of them is a different argument than saying a pit bull is more dangerous than a Presa because they have locking beartrap jaws and are bred to fight to the death and also because they shoot bees out of their mouths when they bark. > [@](#): > > (I wonder how one observes a _cracked_ skull covered in fur unless it is crushed. Nothing special about the bite strength of a mastiff/molloser offshoot. :rolleyes: ) I can’t even tell what the fuck you’re trying to argue here. “One” observes a cracked skull when “one” is skinning the damn hog, you moron. Of course there’s something special about the bite strength of a dog breed to grip a 500lb _wild goddamn boar_. That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you for days–_you’re_ the one who’s insistent that there is not anything special about a dog’s bite strength, unless it’s a “pit bull”. > [@](#): > > Never mind that **NajaNivea** has admitted to us that the practise exists soley to deflect from the pitbull to the English bulldog while conveniently ignoring the fact that the PItbull is a very popular breed in this endeavour. What? “To deflect from the pit bull to the English Bulldog”? What the fuck does that even _mean_? English Bulldogs are pets, and have been functionally useless animals for decades. I brought up the subject of big-game hunting dogs as germane to the argument because of ignorant assholes like yourself, who have never seen any working dog in action, insisting that “pit bulls” exhibit behavioral and physical traits that defy both hundreds of years of dog breeding history and\* biology\*. Your insistence is that pit dogs have physical and behavioral traits which make them more tenacious and give them greater bite strength than any other breed of dog on the planet. The fact is, there are many… many breeds of dog bred to “fight to the death” and bred to do so against animals that are much larger, much more physically powerful, and which have much better weapons at their disposal than other medium-sized dogs. Saying that a “pit bull” is more dangerous because it’s been bred to fight other medium sized dogs, and ignoring that a wide range of breeds and varieties have been bred to fight other, bigger animals with identical intentions as to outcome is… stupid. No other word for it. Since you’ve made it clear above that you have no fucking clue what you’re talking about when it comes to a discussion of specifics in dog breeds, and cannot even identify a pit bull, indeed you’re lumping them in with “molosser offshoots”, I think it ought to be clear to anyone reading that you’re talking straight out of your ass when spewing these stupid urban legends forth. > [@](#): > > It isn’t just the boar who gets run down with a pitbull hung on to its ear while other pits struggle to clamp down on their head and crush. Fuck, what a way to go. What human induced cruelty. What about the pitbull itself. “Struggle to clamp down on their head and crush”? Now you’re just making shit up to amuse yourself… right? Catch dogs catch and hold, that’s their job. The hunter catches up and sticks the hog in the heart with a knife. Fin. What a way to go, indeed. Sucks to be a hog, but until or unless there’s some better way to get rid of them, people will keep right on doing it around the world, wherever wild boar and feral hogs destroy croplands, private property, and protected wildlands, and wherever wild pork remains tasty. In any case, are you really this stupid? The link you provided is to a _trophy hunting game farm_, where for a price some “guide” will walk you up to a trophy pig and you can plug it then go back to the lodge and pat yourself on the back about what a mighty hunter you are. They don’t want any idiot bringing their green dogs up to catch any hog they come across–they want to protect their trophies and guide you right up to the one you’ve paid to kill. Catch dogs catch hogs, they don’t wait to be pointed to the one you can afford, with medium-sized tusks that will look okay mounted on the wall. Stocked game farms have no connection to population control in feral and wild hogs. Also, these “guides” are right to be wary of Weekend Warriors bringing their backyard American Bulldog up for their trophy hunt and dropping their pet in on a wild boar with no prior training or experience–such dogs die quickly, because _wild fucking boars_ are _very fucking dangerous_. Yes, it is cruel, it is dangerous, but it is absolutely necessary, and it is not simply for the amusement of a human–any farmer who’s just lost $30,000 worth of crops in a single night to a couple of rooting hogs would be happy to have words with you on that point. Boar hunting absolutely does require dogs, if you’re going to do it with any proficiency, and also if you’re going to survive the hunt yourself, squishy hominid that you are. > [@](#): > > If [Michael Vick](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Vick) got a couple of years in prison for facilitating dog fighting, what do you thing a director of the national organization that promotes wild boar hunting deserves ? A fucking trophy, because the two have no connection, any more than you marrying a woman has to do with you fucking your sister. ---
**Author:** ![NajaNivea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@NajaNivea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NajaNivea)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2009, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277/60 "2009-11-30T14:47:03Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Thankfully, people use it in a consistent fashion. When someone is talking about a pit bull, they’re never talking about a recipe for creamed corn; they’re never talking about a male bovine in a hole, they’re never talking about a tiny dog covered in long hairlike fur. They’re talking about a type of mastiff; they’re discussing a particular cluster of appearance and breed traits, and a particular specimen may have more or fewer of these traits, but below a certain threshhold of these traits nobody will call a certain specimen a pit bull. > > And you know that. Yes, we fucking well do know that. That’s why those of us who know what the fuck we’re talking about object to ignorant assholes like yourself using a collection of phenotypic traits to lump a wildly disparate bunch of breeds together, and go around insisting that one specific breed is responsible for any anti-social act committed by any canine with a stocky build, short coat, and semi-prick ears. Turning around and acting like we’re a bunch of lunatics because we keep trying to point out that taking a phenotype and insisting that all dogs of this phenotype carry some mythical psychosis due to pit-fighting history, when you’ve just admitted that you use the term generically to describe any number of breeds with any number of working backgrounds is absolutely asinine. How can you even do so with a straight face? It’s astoundingly, almost comically ignorant. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/najanivea-michael-vick-boar-hunting-pitbulls/519277.md?page=4)