They are pit bull mixes. This is a huge, important (often overlooked) fact in the “All pit bulls are EEEEE-vul!” argument.
Nitpick: It’s confOrmation, as in conforming to the standard.
Huh? Breeding an oversized purebred pit to another oversized purebred pit results in mixed breed puppies? Wha?
Wolves attach the moose’s haunches, generally. A boar can turn much more quickly than a moose.
No. Read gonzo’s cite from upthread. Oversized pits are usually not purebred pit bulls. They’re pit bull mixes that include a dash of pit bull and a variety of other larger breed dogs. Completely pure pit bulls don’t get that big. Period. Full stop.
So if you’re actually talking about pit bull mixes, talking about a pit bull’s innate nature is pointless.
Whoa, whoa, wait just a damned minute - vicious dogs? Hunting breeds are vicious dogs? Shit, I had a terrier who could take down ten mice a night - he was doing what he was bred to do, he wasn’t vicious. I have a dog now from one of those very swamp huntin’ breeds - he’s a Catahoula mix, and he loves to track things with his nose. He’s vicious because he was bred to track game now?
He’s vicious towards prey animals, he’s not vicious towards his owner.
My uncle who hunts deer is vicious, then? He just kills them and eats them, like my Westie did only he didn’t eat the mice, he left them there for us to see what he’d done for us. He didn’t torture them, savage them, or even play with them like a cat would.
By vicious, I just mean, genetically determined to attack something smaller and weaker than it. My cat is a vicious predator; the only reason he doesn’t kill me is because I’m too big. The instinct to hunt is deep within the animal’s genes. The cat sometimes grabs my arm with his paws, bites into it and then kicks his hind legs rapidly. This is the very same method that he would use to kill an animal.
A boar is by no means smaller and weaker than a dog.
ETA - just so you know, I don’t approve of hunting boar with dogs. I just don’t think an animal killing another animal for food or breeding is vicious.
ETAA - and I doubt wolves in the wild attack boars in the normal course of events, as they’re really dangerous animals. I think it’s cruel for people to train and then drive dogs to put themselves at that kind of risk.
Cort, are you familiar with razorbacks? It’s entirely possible that boar had enough testosterone and attitude that he woke up ready to kill anything in his way. They are smart and mean. Not that I supprt using a dog to hunt them. Zsofia has it just right.
I’ve never hunted razorbacks but they live where I grew up,but I would hunt them if around now in sufficient numbers. The only other animals I do hunt are feral hogs which are destructive, a nuisance and mean.
Back to the pit at hand, but those of you unfamiliar with razorbacks should at least look them up if you are completely against hunting them without dogs.
It makes no difference to me. Animals just do whatever they do. If a person, on the other hand, is going to go out of his way to kill an animal just for the fun of it, then he should do it in such a way that the animal has at least a fair to middling chance of killing him. Anything less is pussy.
You can hunt boar with spears, if you’re so inclined. That’s how they used to do it. The spears have cross pieces to keep the maddened and deadly animal from running up the thing to do you in before his lights go out. Not a sport for the weak.
That sounds fairer. Then again, I’m one of those people just jumps for joy whenever I hear that a bull has killed a matador.
On the other hand, I ate wild boar in Italy and it was fabulous. So, you know.
It’s absolutely insane that on a board whose motto is “fighting ignorance since 1973” and whose members routinely pat themselves on the back for their intelligence, this thread exists.
NajaNivea begins a thread in Great Debates about the myths surrounding pit bulls
Flying Dutchman, Magellan01, Gonzomax, Left Hand of Dorkness, Wholebean, Dropzone and Czarcasm (and Independentminded although his writing and limited thought processes are very similar to Gonzomax so maybe he’s just a sock) all enter the thread because as everyone knows, pit bulls are Satan’s pets and must be stopped before they do any more damage to the very fabric of our society.
To prove their assertions, they’ve got nothing but urban legends, faulty generalizations and even more faulty documentation and research on their side. They think, however, if they keep repeating the same tired myths it will somehow prove something.
And it doesn’t. Not when factual research and logic are applied.
So what happens, Flying Dutchman starts a thread in the pit because if you can’t win, then the best thing to do is evade and distract.
So now we get:
NajaNivea is involved on a national board of directors for boar hunting therefore pit bulls are evil.
NajaNivea is involved on a national board of directors for boar hunting therefore she is evil just like Michael Vick (oh yeah, and pit bulls are evil).
NajaNivea is involved on a national board of directors for boar hunting therefore she wants to be mean and cruel to pit bulls just like Michael Vick (oh yeah and pit bulls are evil).
And then of course, Gonzomax comes in with more asinine comments (did you not get enough oxygen in your incubator?), Boyo Jim joins the fray and though his argument is moronic does manage to spare us the usual plug for his win in the Edward Bulwer-Lytton contest. Magellan01, just like Gonzo, has to write something pointless because he can’t think of anything intelligent to say and Left Hand of Dorkness does his usual “I love animals and I’m a moral person and I like to talk about my feelings and pit bulls are evil and anything that I think is a pit bull is a pit bull no matter what the AKC, UKC, ADBA or DNA tests say and no I don’t see any hypocrisy in wanting all these dogs to die all the while decrying how horrible blood sports are.”
But how is this fighting ignorance?
I don’t really see what boar hunting with dogs has to do with pit bulls, dogs that look like pit bulls, or dogs with square heads as pets, myself.
ETA - I agree that considering the same people have skulked in with the same arguments that it’s a weaselly way to distract and continue the same dumb-ass arguments. I do, however, find hunting dangerous animals with dogs distasteful.
Ignorance fought I think. Apparently the feral hogs I shoot in west Texas are razorbacks. Feral pig - Wikipedia
Cort, these hogs destroy land and are a nuisance so killing is not just for fun. Plus they are a non-native species.
Well, if you kill an animal for good reason, and happen to have fun doing it, that’s one thing. If, on the other hand, you don’t have a good reason and are just doing it for kicks, or because you think it makes you a badass or something, then you should give the animal a fair shake.
Yeah, there are no true wild boar in the New World.