# Naked Samurai hacks up wife, shot by cops **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 8, 2003, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734 "2003-12-08T18:27:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734/21 "2003-12-09T04:02:48Z")
There can be only one. ---
**Author:** ![Sinungaling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Sinungaling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinungaling)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734/22 "2003-12-09T04:11:27Z")
Isn’t it standard police training for cops to keep shooting until a suspect is actually on the ground? I think the reasoning is that a wounded person can still shoot a gun or swing a bat, and that therefore someone should be treated as dangerous until it is clear that the suspect is no longer a risk. ---
**Author:** ![RyanV](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@RyanV](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyanV)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734/23 "2003-12-09T05:39:46Z")
When a cop makes the decision to use his weapon, it is for lethal purposes only. Maybe the guy tried to use his girl as a shield or ran at her with the sword directing the fire? Maybe it was a female cop? (That explains EVERYTHING). ---
**Author:** ![Horseflesh](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horseflesh/32/7502_2.png) [@Horseflesh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horseflesh)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734/24 "2003-12-09T05:54:39Z")
_ **HASSAN CHOP!!** _ On another note, this quote from the victim’s sister-in-law just seems so wrong… > [@](#): > > **"She’s like the other half of my heart…"** ---
**Author:** ![misstee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/958977/32.png) [@misstee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/misstee)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734/25 "2003-12-09T06:45:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RyanV \* > Maybe it was a female cop? (That explains EVERYTHING). Yeah, because we all know that a female just can’t do the job like a male can. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![The\_Raven\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@The\_Raven\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Raven_1)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734/26 "2003-12-09T07:50:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Stover9 \* > \*\*Unbelievable. > > (Note to all women, stay away from men named IVOR) \*\* C’mon! How could you not like this guy? [http://www.javacoffeebreak.com/articles/authorprofiles/horton\_ivor/](http://www.javacoffeebreak.com/articles/authorprofiles/horton_ivor/) -Rav ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734/27 "2003-12-09T12:48:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CaptBushido \* > \*\*Well, I didn’t mean that _literally_ she should have only fired one shot, but that would have been the minimum amount of force necessary in an ideal situation (which, as you say, is practically impossible). > > 14 shots just seems outright excessive. Make a gun with your fingers and say bang and pull your hands up about as fast as you think you can pull a trigger, counting to 14 as you go. Then tell me that 14 doesn’t seem ridiculous. > > Someone was obviously very panicked and reacting instinctively. Bad behavior for a cop. \*\* Bullshit. It’s a life threatening situation, if it’s a choice between you or your partner dying or the guy with the sword, the sword guy loses. ---
**Author:** ![CaptBushido](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a88e4f/32.png) [@CaptBushido](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptBushido)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734/28 "2003-12-09T12:56:54Z")
> [@](#): > > Isn’t it standard police training for cops to keep shooting until a suspect is actually on the ground? I think the reasoning is that a wounded person can still shoot a gun or swing a bat, and that therefore someone should be treated as dangerous until it is clear that the suspect is no longer a risk. > [@](#): > > Bullshit. It’s a life threatening situation, if it’s a choice between you or your partner dying or the guy with the sword, the sword guy loses. Yes, yes, yes. I’ve never said I disagree with this. All I’m saying is that if after 14 shots, 2 of which have actually HIT her partner, she has shown that she completely fucked up in that responsibility. Yes, in a life threatening situation you go for the kill, whatever it takes, but if it takes 14 shots to take down a man armed with a sword, then you are obviously not cut out for police work. ---
**Author:** ![dantheman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dantheman/32/9421_2.png) [@dantheman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dantheman)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734/29 "2003-12-09T13:16:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Stover9 \* > \*\*Unbelievable. > > (Note to all women, stay away from men named IVOR) \*\* But he was just one letter away from making a clean getaway! ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734/30 "2003-12-09T14:42:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CaptBushido \* > \*\*Yes, yes, yes. I’ve never said I disagree with this. All I’m saying is that if after 14 shots, 2 of which have actually HIT her partner, she has shown that she completely fucked up in that responsibility. > Yes, in a life threatening situation you go for the kill, whatever it takes, but if it takes 14 shots to take down a man armed with a sword, then you are obviously not cut out for police work. \*\* Again, bullshit. You shoot until the threat is neutralized. In a shoot/no shoot situation you have a split second to decide. What if the sword wielder was grappling with the partner, about to stab him? Do you shoot and possibly hit your partner, or wait and let him be stabbed to death. We don’t know the details, we are not qualified to judge the cop’s actions. ---
**Author:** ![CaptBushido](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a88e4f/32.png) [@CaptBushido](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptBushido)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734/31 "2003-12-09T15:02:34Z")
Garr!!! You are still missing the point. Does ANYBODY here understand what I am saying? **YES. SHOOT UNTIL THE SON OF A BITCH IS ON THE GROUND BLEEDING, I AGREE.** But if that takes _14 goddamn bullets_ then someone is exercising poor fire control, poor accuracy, POOR LAW ENFORCEMENT SKILLS. I’m not questioning the officer’s judgement, I’m questioning her ABILITY. And yes, I agree, as I did before, that unless we were there or at least have a very detailed knowledge of the situation we can’t know for certain what to make of it. But I find a situation in which a competent, controlled officer would need to use 14 bullets against a non-firearm wielding target to be very unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734/32 "2003-12-09T15:32:52Z")
Yeah I see what you are saying **Capt**. Maybe she doesn’t have the coolest head or the best aim, which of course can be a bad thing for a LEO. Depending on the circumstances 14 shots could be a lot or a little. I envision a a nut charging the officer with a sword and a wild 8 to 10 seconds of shooting taking place. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734/33 "2003-12-09T15:51:14Z")
I think it’s because your point is pointless. In an emergency situation, with a guy who just almost beheaded his wife, who is lunging at you and your partner… it’s not a gun range type of thing, it’s not nearly as easy as you see it on television. The target is moving, despite what you may think, shooting at another human being _is not_ similar to shooting at a paper target at a shooting range. You have no basis at all to judge the skills of the officer, there is not nearly enough information in the article to do so. There will be an investigation of the shooting and a hearing. Every time a law enforcement officer fires their weapon in the line of duty the is an investigation. What you think of the situation does not concern me in the least, you have no basis to make any judgements. I will wait until the investigation is done and experts who have all of the facts and testimony give their views on the events. ---
**Author:** ![CaptBushido](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a88e4f/32.png) [@CaptBushido](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptBushido)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734/34 "2003-12-09T16:09:15Z")
Well, I don’t want to get into a big fight about this. Just as long as everyone understands that I have no beef with her judgement. I would contend, however, that I have paintballed and hunted with pistols. And it seemed to me like it _is_ as easy as it looks. But you are correct, my assessment of the situation is little more than uninformed opinion; I wouldn’t claim it as anything else. Now let’s just sit back and have another good laugh at the story like we properly should. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734/35 "2003-12-09T16:30:06Z")
No problem… it urks me when people think the shooting of another human being is easy. Taking or being willing to take a human life, even when in self defense, is never easy. Many police officers end up in therapy after a line of duty shooting, others quit or request desk jobs. The thought of killing someone also makes the physical act of shooting more difficult also. In this case, who knows? Being in a situation where you could soon be very dead makes everything a little more difficult. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734/36 "2003-12-09T16:36:48Z")
Sure, but even a person in the worst possible scenario can handle it poorly. I almost always give the benefit of the doubt to the LEO in these cases. We’ll have to wait for details to come to life though. ---
**Author:** ![CaptBushido](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a88e4f/32.png) [@CaptBushido](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptBushido)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734/37 "2003-12-09T17:20:12Z")
Eh, something tells me this is a one headline story. They already got our attention, why bother to ever follow up on it? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734/38 "2003-12-09T17:53:48Z")
I think you are right. ---
**Author:** ![Stover9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Stover9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stover9)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734/39 "2003-12-09T18:12:30Z")
Okay Raven, Ivor Horton seems okay…coincidentally, I just enrolled in my first C++ course last week. Perhaps he’ll be the author of my text. Dantheman, what letter are you referring to? “Y” ? ? ? ---
**Author:** ![KP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a9adbd/32.png) [@KP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KP)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2003, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734/40 "2003-12-09T18:33:42Z")
It’s probably worth noting that the sword-wielder was only hit in the legs, and the injured officer was shot in a knee. This would seem to suggest where the firing officer was aiming. (The injured officer was also struck in the chest, but his vest stopped that projectile.) The article also states that the assailant was charging both officers, not grappling one. While ‘circling around’ can be a good LEO technique, they are taught not to interfere with lines of fire, and it is often impractical indoors. While we only know the second- or third-hand account given by the reporter, ‘charging the officers’ doesn’t sound like the injured officer was on the other side of the assailant. Perhaps there were riccochets off a nearby hard surface. In general, shooting limb is an order of magnitude harder than shooting the torso. It may be desirable when the officer is not in imminent danger. I can see this kind of outcome arising rationally in a situation where the officer is being threatened with a deadly weapon, but feels confident with their ability to manage the situation nonlethally. Firearms may be employed to prevent the situation from escalating to a predictable risk of imminent harm. As many have said, we do not know what happened, but the leg wounds are compatible with a level-headed officer, with room to withdraw, sought to bring down a weapon-wielding citizen without killing him, or allowing him to close to a dangerous range. The injuries to the partner gives the account a different emotional color that seems to have made some leap to the assumption that the firing officer panicked, buy the injury to the (vulnerable) knee may have been a riccochet, rather than close range direct fire. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naked-samurai-hacks-up-wife-shot-by-cops/217734.md?page=3)