# Name an unjustly derided movie. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 13, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549 "2014-11-13T18:22:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2014, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549/101 "2014-11-14T19:39:46Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > I \*\* > \*\* this movie. > > Hand to God, one of my all-time favorites. Wow, the love got left behind. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2014, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549/102 "2014-11-14T19:57:48Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > I never appealed to unpopularity or popularity Uh. . . . > [@RikWriter](#): > > no one BOTHERED to identify with the “good guys.” Don’t fight this point, it’s not worth it. You did make such an appeal, and it’s objectively wrong. You can still dislike the movie, you can still opine that it’s terrible, but what you can’t do is act like it failed as satire because no one bothered to identify with the good guys. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2014, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549/103 "2014-11-14T20:08:28Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Yeah, but then the Sioux tell him all about he’s become one of them and they all love & respect him so much, the dying old chief makes him watch over his family, etc… By the end of the flick he’s quite obviously become The Wisest, Most Important Person In The Tribe. I don’t think we saw the same film. He never even has any time to establish much of a place in the tribe. He’s rescued and then he leaves, remember? ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2014, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549/104 "2014-11-14T20:16:15Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Uh. . . . > > Don’t fight this point, it’s not worth it. You did make such an appeal, and it’s objectively wrong. You can still dislike the movie, you can still opine that it’s terrible, but what you can’t do is act like it failed as satire because no one bothered to identify with the good guys. Also…Michael Ironside and Clancy Brown in the same pic? How can you not love that? And the characters are SUPPOSED to be cardboard. Denise Richards wasn’t cast because of her thespian skills, she was cast because she looks good in a 2 hour commercial. Also…Doogie Howser: Nazi Space Scientist. Awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2014, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549/105 "2014-11-14T20:18:33Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I could never understand why Daredevil is so vilified. I would put it in the middle of the pack when talking about superhero movies. Not as good as Iron Man or Captain America, better than The Fantastic Four. I too really enjoyed Daredevil and never understood the animus against it. The nearest thing it had to a major flaw was that Jennifer Garner, while beautiful, was a little too northern European for Elektra. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2014, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549/106 "2014-11-14T21:24:38Z")
I appreciated the casting choice for Wilson Fisk. It may have been vaguely risky changing the character’s race, but I had no problem with Duncan except possibly that he seemed to smile a lot more than his comic book counterpart. Come to think of it, does comic book Kingpin _ever_ smile? No instance comes to mind and I read a lot of Spider-Man in the 80s and 90s. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2014, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549/107 "2014-11-14T21:36:36Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > [An American Carol](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_American_Carol) has an 11% approval rating from critics on Rotten Tomatoes. But I thought it was hilarious. I’m one of the target audience for this movie & I had high hopes. They were not met. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2014, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549/108 "2014-11-14T21:43:57Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I too really enjoyed Daredevil and never understood the animus against it. The nearest thing it had to a major flaw was that Jennifer Garner, while beautiful, was a little too northern European for Elektra. I think some just hate Ben Affleck that much. Something else I don’t understand. Maybe because he used to be tabloid fodder. He’s not my favorite actor but he is decent at his job and is a good director too. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2014, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549/109 "2014-11-14T21:59:10Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > As for another example, I think _What Dreams May Come_ is a fine movie. And you think Waterworld is a shitty movie? Ha. Thanks for the laugh. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2014, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549/110 "2014-11-14T22:15:38Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > And you think Waterworld is a shitty movie? Ha. Thanks for the laugh. Both have good moments, but get carried away with their pretentiousness. The science behind Waterworld makes me sad. ☹ And the long drawn out depressing parts of _What Dreams_… are hard to take. ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2014, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549/111 "2014-11-14T23:10:36Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I too really enjoyed Daredevil and never understood the animus against it. The nearest thing it had to a major flaw was that Jennifer Garner, while beautiful, was a little too northern European for Elektra. Well, there \*was \*that ludicrous playground fight. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2014, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549/112 "2014-11-14T23:10:53Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Uh. . . . > > Don’t fight this point, it’s not worth it. You did make such an appeal, and it’s objectively wrong. You can still dislike the movie, you can still opine that it’s terrible, but what you can’t do is act like it failed as satire because no one bothered to identify with the good guys. Okay let me amend that to no one I KNOW bothered. No one who watched the movie who I spoke to, no one in my family, among my friends and acquaintances, people in the SF fan club to which I belonged at the time, etc… I’m sure in the many years since that piece of shit was released, there’ve been people who think that liking the movie makes them part of the intellectual and political/philosophical illuminati. Their opinion doesn’t affect mine. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2014, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549/113 "2014-11-14T23:38:46Z")
It is rather noteworthy that the “Starship Troopers” reviews get a lot more positive, and start singing the “but it’s a satire!” tune, only long after the movie’s release. Look at the review dates if you don’t believe me. ---
**Author:** ![LC\_Strawhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@LC\_Strawhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LC_Strawhouse)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2014, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549/114 "2014-11-14T23:43:06Z")
Even though it lost a historic amount of money, and all the people involved disown it, **Town and Country** (with Warren Beatty, Charlton Heston, etc.) is totally hilarious. It’s like an early Woody Allen comedy with all the annoying aspects removed. If it came out in 1978 it would have swept the Oscars. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2014, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549/115 "2014-11-14T23:52:42Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > I’m sure in the many years since that piece of shit was released, there’ve been people who think that liking the movie makes them part of the intellectual and political/philosophical illuminati. Their opinion doesn’t affect mine. How generous of you–you’ve gone from saying that nobody rooted for the main characters to saying that some folks claim to like it because they want to be popular. It’s very clear that you’ve got an objective, fairminded take on the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2014, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549/116 "2014-11-15T00:26:48Z")
The only Woody Allen movie that has ever made me laugh (or even chuckle!) is _Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex But Were Afraid to Ask_, but I never hear anybody talking about it. The finest Kubrick movie is, in my opinion, _Barry Lyndon_ - by no means “unjustly derided,” but compared to _The Shining_, _2001_ or _Clockwork Orange_, it gets very little love. The greatest comedy of all time is _The Adventures Of Picasso_. It is properly honoured in exactly two countries: Sweden and Hungary. Everywhere else, it is either criminally underrated, or else - you guessed it - simply unknown. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2014, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549/117 "2014-11-15T00:36:23Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > Last Action Hero. No one seemed to be ready for Arnie to parody himself - at least, his action hero self. This one. Great movie, lot of fun. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2014, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549/118 "2014-11-15T01:11:28Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > Last Action Hero. No one seemed to be ready for Arnie to parody himself - at least, his action hero self. My problem with the movie wasn’t Arnold, but the kid. He just irritated the fuck out of me. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2014, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549/119 "2014-11-15T01:29:11Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Adding another one: Contagion. Everyone laments how dumb movies can get. They made a smart one and no one went to see it. Bwuh? Contagion made $75 million in the US. It was the #1 movie the week it was released and #45 for the year (out of 602 movies). > [@RickJay](#): > > It is rather noteworthy that the “Starship Troopers” reviews get a lot more positive, and start singing the “but it’s a satire!” tune, only long after the movie’s release. Look at the review dates if you don’t believe me. I believe you (I noticed the same thing myself), but I just have to ask, “How?” The satire is so obvious that it practically jumped off the screen and slapped you in the face. How could so many critics miss it? I don’t think they have to like it (though they should), but how did they miss it? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2014, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549/120 "2014-11-15T03:52:34Z")
Just watched **Ishtar** based upon the recommendations in this thread (and because it was available on Netflix streaming) and y’all are right - it’s nowhere near as bad as its reputation. If it is among the 5-worst films of 1987 (as evidenced by it’s Razzie nomination for ‘worst picture’), then '87 must have been the strongest year in the history of movies, quality-wise. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-an-unjustly-derided-movie/704549.md?page=7)