# Name Your Favorite Team's Ten Greatest Players

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**Created:** [March 8, 2009, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-your-favorite-teams-ten-greatest-players/488730 "2009-03-08T14:07:48Z")\
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> [@zamboniracer](#):
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> Von Hayes? Old Five For One? The guy the Phillies traded a young Julio Franco, Manny Trillo and 3 other guys I can’t remember for? You’re kidding, right? Not Garry Maddox? Bake McBride? Greg Luzinski? Bob Boone? Curt Schilling?

Also Robin Roberts and Old Pete.

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> [@Jeff\_Lichtman](#):
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> Also Robin Roberts and Old Pete.

I hear you, but furt limited his choices to post 1970 Phillies.

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Chicago Bulls

1. Michael Jordan (we could stop here if you’d like :-).
2. Scottie Pippen
3. Bob Love
4. Jerry Sloan
5. Dennis Rodman
6. Norm Van Lier
7. Horace Grant
8. John Paxson
9. Artis Gilmore
10. Bill Cartwright

Chicago Bears

1. Walter Payton
2. Gayle Sayers
3. Sid Luckman
4. Mike Singletary
5. Red Grange
6. Bronko Nagurski
7. Dick Butkus
8. Mike Ditka
9. Gary Fencik
10. Brian Urlacher

Bonus points if I could combine Dan Hampton & Steve McMichael into one defensive mega-beast I like to call Deve HamMichael.

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**Post date:** [March 10, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-your-favorite-teams-ten-greatest-players/488730/84 "2009-03-10T18:31:20Z")

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> [@furt](#):
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> Criteria: career value to franchise, post-1970  
> Philadelphia Phillies
> 
> 1. Richie Ashburn (includes announcing, and because it’s my damn list)
> 2. Michael Jack Schmidt
> 3. Steve Carlton
> 4. Jimmy Rollins
> 5. Chase Utley
> 6. Ryan Howard
> 7. Bobby Abreu
> 8. Lenny Dykstra
> 9. Tug McGraw
> 10. Darren Daulton
> 11. Von Hayes

Von Hayes over Pat Burrell? man! They were both hated in town (Although, Burrell picked up some love this year.) over the course of their careers, but I think Pat came through a lot more often. Just think of them as sort of comparable.  
Von Hayes over Garry Maddox? I don’t know!

I forgot about Dutch! I loved him as a Phillie and I was glad he was able to get a ring with the Marlins.

> [@](#):
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> Philadelphia Eagles
> 
> 1. Reggie White
> 2. Brian Dawkins (sigh)
> 3. Donovan McNabb
> 4. Bill Bergey
> 5. Brian Westbrook
> 6. Wilbert Montgomery
> 7. Harold Carmichael
> 8. Stan Walters
> 9. Mike Quick
> 10. Eric Allen
> 11. Tra Thomas (sigh)

No Jaws?  
I don’t remember Eric Allen. But, looking him up reminds me of Seth Joyner. He was pretty great with the Eagles.

Not criticizing, just wondering.

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> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#):
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> It’s a pretty short list 😉
> 
> I’d throw Ryan Schneider in there; he put up some pretty amazing numbers until he went nutso as a senior. Asante Samuel and Brandon Marshall for what they’ve accomplished in the NFL, too, and Doug Gabriel for what he accomplished in college. Rashad Jeanty has been a pretty solid linebacker for the Bengals.
> 
> Plus, Travis Fisher, the first UCF player to be drafted.

D’Oh! I forgot about you, dude. Should have put “guys that nobody but **RNATB** knows.” Yeah, Marshall should be on there, and Mike Walker, too. Asante Samuel wasn’t as big a deal while here as he’s become in the NFL.

1. St. Daunte
2. 24K
3. Little Joe
4. Mike Walker
5. Brandon Marshall
6. Ryan Schneider
7. Shawn Jefferson
8. Tito Rodriguez
9. Asante Samuel
10. Cedric Gagne-Marcoux

Matt Prater would have made the top ten, but I ain’t forgiving that missed extra point…

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San Diego Chargers All-Time Top 10

1\> Dan Fouts

2\> Ladainian Tomlinson

3\> Lance Alworth

4\> Charlie Joiner

5\> Kellen Winslow

6\> Fred Dean

7\> Junior Seau

8\> Ron Mix

9\> Stan Humphries

10\> Darren Bennett

I don’t think there is any doubt about my top 8. 6 are in the HOF and the other 2 are future HOF’ers. Although, I admittedly have never actually seen Ron Mix or Lance Alworth play; their reputation of those that have from Charger message boards, and their HOF status cements it for me.

The last two were more difficult… I had to give Stan Humphries his props as the QB of our only Super Bowl team. And Darren Bennett, a punter, is maybe an odd pick, there are probably players from different positions that people would put here… But Bennett excelled at his position for 10 years, and made the “All 90’s team”.

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**Post date:** [March 10, 2009, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/name-your-favorite-teams-ten-greatest-players/488730/87 "2009-03-10T18:52:52Z")

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> [@zamboniracer](#):
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> Von Hayes? Old Five For One? The guy the Phillies traded a young Julio Franco, Manny Trillo and 3 other guys I can’t remember for? You’re kidding, right? Not Garry Maddox? Bake McBride? Greg Luzinski? Bob Boone? Curt Schilling?

Old Five-For-One gets a bum rap – I ain’t gonna blame him because he was overhyped. He was clearly better than Bake McBride, and I’d argue pretty comparable in terms of contribution to Maddox. He was an above-average player for a lot of years. My memory was telling me it was ten years, but now that I’ve looked it up, it was only seven (that’s what happens when you think about upon the players of your youth late at night after beer, I suppose). So upon reflection and looking up the stats, yeah, I’d have to

Luzinski 10,  
Boone 11,  
Schilling 12 (his great years came in Arizona)  
Pat Burrell 13  
Maddox and Hayes 14.

Bake McBride isn’t in the top 25.

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New York Yankees

1. Babe Ruth
2. Mickey Mantle
3. Joe Dimaggio
4. Lou Gehrig
5. Yogi Berra
6. Whitey Ford
7. Mariano Rivera
8. Don Mattingly
9. Bill Dickey
10. Derek Jeter

Almost made it: Goose Gossage, Reggie, Dave Winfield, Rickey, Spud Chandler, Bernie Williams, Thurman Munson

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> [@pricciar](#):
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> I forgot about Dutch! I loved him as a Phillie and I was glad he was able to get a ring with the Marlins.

Yeah, and looking him up, I probably overrated him, too.

But my favorite all-time sports memories are from the 1993 Phillies. One was Pete Incaviglia, of all people, busting his ass to beat out an infield hit and start a ninth-inning rally.

Another was a meaningless game, where the Phils had like a six-run lead, two out in eighth inning. Rounding third on a soft single to right comes 240 pounds of Randy fucking Milligan. Throw comes in from Eisenreich, and damned if Dutch doesn’t stick out that knee – that surgically-repaired-umpteen-times, blow-it-again-and-your-career-might-be-done, don’t-be-stupid-about-this, we-have-a-big-lead knee – and fucking dare that sumbitch to come and get him. Milligan barrelled straight into that knee with a full head of steam.

It’s 2009, and Randy Milligan still hasn’t touched that plate.

240 pounds, full speed, and he moved Daulton about two inches. Catch, tag, end of inning.

> [@](#):
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> No Jaws?  
> I don’t remember Eric Allen. But, looking him up reminds me of Seth Joyner. He was pretty great with the Eagles.
> 
> Not criticizing, just wondering.

I love Jaws, but outside of 1980, he was just OK. The Vermeil teams were much more about Wilbert Montgomery and the defense. Jaws would be at about 17 on my list, a spot behind Randall Cunningham.

And Seth Joyner was criminally underrated. If Buddy Ryan had chosen to use him the way the Giants used LT, he could have had 10-12 sacks a year.

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Since the Reds aint been done yet

Cincinnati Reds

1. Pete Rose
2. Johnny Bench
3. Joe Morgan
4. Dave Concepion
5. Tony Perez
6. Tom Seaver
7. Ted Kluszewski
8. Frank Robinson
9. Edd Roush
10. George Foster

Pretty heavy on the Big Red Machine

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> [@zamboniracer](#):
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> I hear you, but furt limited his choices to post 1970 Phillies.

If you went before 1970 the list would make no sense at all, of course, since you’d have to add not only Roberts and Alexander, but Chuck Klein, Sherry Magee, Del Ennis, Granny Hamner, and maybe others. Ed Delahanty, perhaps.

Thinking of all those Phillies - boy, that 1980 team could play some friggin’ defense, huh? Trillo, Schmidt, Maddox, Boone. Rose was no slouch at first.

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> [@RickJay](#):
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> If you went before 1970 the list would make no sense at all, of course, since you’d have to add not only Roberts and Alexander, but Chuck Klein, Sherry Magee, Del Ennis, Granny Hamner, and maybe others. Ed Delahanty, perhaps.

Delahanty for sure; objectively, he’s top 5. Sliding Billy Hamilton might make the list if I wanted to go way back. That’s pretty much why I limited it to my lifetime; I’d put all of those except Hamner in the top 12 or so, and I didn’t want to have the list dominated by guys I’d never actually seen play.

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OK, Houston Rockets starting 5:

C Moses Malone  
PF Yao Ming  
SF Hakeem Olajuwon  
SG Calvin Murphy  
PG Ralph Sampson

They’d just throw the ball to each other over the other player’s heads to get it up the floor. And Murphy would hide behind the other guys in hopes no one would notice him.

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> [@furt](#):
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> Delahanty for sure; objectively, he’s top 5. Sliding Billy Hamilton might make the list if I wanted to go way back. That’s pretty much why I limited it to my lifetime; I’d put all of those except Hamner in the top 12 or so, and I didn’t want to have the list dominated by guys I’d never actually seen play.

I included guys who I had never seen, but had heard a bunch about or had seen a movie based on their life. Just because they popped into my head. Although, I almost had Kruk on the list. 93 was such a great year for characters and I thought Kruk was the best of the bunch.

I think you are either overrating Hayes, or underrating Maddox. Defensive and consistency really make me rate Maddox far higher than Von Hayes. Hmm. I guess Maddox wasn’t as good as I remembered - looking at Baseball Prospectus. Still, he accumulated more hits, and had a better career batting average and slugging percentage. That added with his defense makes me put him above good old 5 for 1

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Texas Longhorns

Scott Appleton  
Tony Brackens  
Earl Campbell  
Bobby Layne  
Colt McCoy  
Tommy Nobis  
Jerry Sisemore  
James Street  
Ricky Williams  
Vince Young

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> [@zamboniracer](#):
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> :D:D:D

I knew I didn’t walk alone on this one 🙂

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I am sure I will be only one, so here it goes:

in no particular order:

**Kansas State Wildcats**

Football  
Kevin Lockett  
Michael Bishop  
Darren Howard  
Gary Spani  
Lynn Dickey  
Darren Sproles  
Jordy Nelson  
Terrence Newman  
Martin Grammatica  
Veryl Switzer

Basketball  
Michael Beasley  
Mitch Richmond  
Bob Boozer  
Rolando Blackmon  
Mike Evans  
Jack Parr  
Lon Kruger  
Bill Walker  
Steve Henson  
Chuckie Williams

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> [@MadTheSwine](#):
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> St.Louis Rams
> 
> 1. Eric Dickerson
> 2. Norm Van Brocklin
> 3. Kurt Warner
> 4. Merlin Olsen
> 5. Isaac Bruce
> 6. Tory Holt
> 7. Elroy “Crazy Legs” Hirsch
> 8. Jackie Slater
> 9. Deacon Jones
> 10. Jack Youngblood

**Mad** , your list is exactly what mine would have been, to the man. 😃

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Chicago Cubs (in alphabetical order. I’m \*\*mostly \*\*confining the list to players since the last World Series appearance in 1945):  
Ernie Banks  
Andre Dawson  
Mark Grace  
Gabby Hartnett  
Fergie Jenkins  
Greg Maddux  
Ryne Sandberg  
Ron Santo  
Sammy Sosa (controversial)  
Billy Williams

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> [@pricciar](#):
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> I think you are either overrating Hayes, or underrating Maddox. Defensive and consistency really make me rate Maddox far higher than Von Hayes. Hmm. I guess Maddox wasn’t as good as I remembered - looking at Baseball Prospectus. Still, he accumulated more hits, and had a better career batting average and slugging percentage. That added with his defense makes me put him above good old 5 for 1

The difference in defensive value is pretty gigantic. They didn’t call Garry Maddox “The Secretary of Defense” for nothing; he was one of the best fielding outfielders in the game. I’d say Maddox’s 1976 was as good as any flashier-hitting-numbers Hayes year.

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