# Nancy should hold on to Articles of Impeachment **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 19, 2019, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079 "2019-12-19T14:27:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079/61 "2019-12-19T19:12:32Z")
> [@Ashtura](#): > > I DO know that if there is ANY way for McConnell to fuck Democrats over, he will take it. He has a stellar track record in that regard. Agreed. He’d drive over his dog to do it. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079/62 "2019-12-19T19:14:16Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I’m not required to answer your questions about the Senate SHOULD do. > > Asking repeatedly is badgering, IMO. Says the guy who’s been repeatedly asking questions in this thread, knowing the answer, while coyly avoiding stating outright what he’s getting at. ---
**Author:** ![Petek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/petek/32/1590_2.png) [@Petek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Petek)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079/63 "2019-12-19T19:33:04Z")
What happens if the Articles of Impeachment aren’t acted upon before the current session of Congress ends? In that case, regular legislation has to be reintroduced to be considered, but what about impeachment? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079/64 "2019-12-19T19:35:05Z")
> [@Clu-Me-In](#): > > Nancy Pelosi should not give the Senate the Articles of Impeachment until the Senate Majority leader either recuses himself or recants his statement that he will not be impartial. What difference does it make if he is not conducting the trial? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079/65 "2019-12-19T19:37:51Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > What difference does it make if he is not conducting the trial? What does it matter if a juror at a trial you have a personal stake in declares that she/he has already decided how to vote before the trial even begins? How are you _not_ seeing the moral/ethical problem here? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079/66 "2019-12-19T19:57:39Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What does it matter if a juror at a trial you have a personal stake in declares that she/he has already decided how to vote before the trial even begins? > How are you _not_ seeing the moral/ethical problem here? You mean the same issues the Radical Republicans had during the impeachment of Johnson? You mean the same issues that both Pubs and Dems had during the impeachment and Clinton? You mean the same issues the Dem and Pubs had when passing the Articles of Impeachment? The issue is that people on this board are spreading the incorrect information that McConnell qua Senate Majority Leader will somehow control the trial. That was what I was responding to, otherwise why didn’t the OP open up the thread to discuss how all 100 Senators will act? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079/67 "2019-12-19T20:00:16Z")
> [@Petek](#): > > What happens if the Articles of Impeachment aren’t acted upon before the current session of Congress ends? In that case, regular legislation has to be reintroduced to be considered, but what about impeachment? Then blame the House Managers for waiting too long. [Rule III](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/SMAN-113/pdf/SMAN-113-pg223.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079/68 "2019-12-19T20:03:37Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > You mean the same issues the Radical Republicans had during the impeachment of Johnson? > > You mean the same issues that both Pubs and Dems had during the impeachment and Clinton? > > You mean the same issues the Dem and Pubs had when passing the Articles of Impeachment? > > The issue is that people on this board are spreading the incorrect information that McConnell qua Senate Majority Leader will somehow control the trial. That was what I was responding to, otherwise why didn’t the OP open up the thread to discuss how all 100 Senators will act? The only issue I brought up was a juror declaring that he has already decided how he was going to vote prior to the actual trial, and I haven’t said jack shit about McConnell controlling said trial. Do any of your unlinked examples have anything at all to do with what I just said? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079/69 "2019-12-19T20:08:44Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > The oath is to “do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws”. That doesn’t imply that he has to be an “impartial juror”. Only if words like “impartial” and “justice” are stripped of all meaning. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079/70 "2019-12-19T20:12:01Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The only issue I brought up was a juror declaring that he has already decided how he was going to vote prior to the actual trial, and I haven’t said jack shit about McConnell controlling said trial. > Do any of your unlinked examples have anything at all to do with what I just said? Out of the 100 Senators I suspect the number of Senators that \*\*haven’t \*\* already decided about how they are going to vote is in the single-digits. So why does this thread single out McConnell? Why was the OP not about **ALL 100** Senators? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079/71 "2019-12-19T20:22:06Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Out of the 100 Senators I suspect the number of Senators that \*\*haven’t \*\* already decided about how they are going to vote is in the single-digits. So why does this thread single out McConnell? Why was the OP not about **ALL 100** Senators? Probably because he’s the majority leader and nobody dares to cross him. He sets the tone and example for the majority, and he’s declared that he is not impartial and will tank the trial. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079/72 "2019-12-19T20:30:50Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Out of the 100 Senators I suspect the number of Senators that \*\*haven’t \*\* already decided about how they are going to vote is in the single-digits. So why does this thread single out McConnell? Why was the OP not about **ALL 100** Senators? **Because HE is the one that openly declared that he would break the oath and state how he would vote before the trial even began!** How many fucking times does this have to be pointed out to you? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079/73 "2019-12-19T21:46:39Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Pelosi may be very smart, but this is 4-D chess, and the Demos track record for political gamesmanship is dismal. > > What will happen? At some point (soon?) the Dems will deliver impeachment articles to the Senate. _ **After that, I do not think the Dems will be allowed to lay additional charges.** _ (Several crimes of various natures and the House is ONLY going with the phone call and associated cover-up? Bah!! This is a major concession by the Democrats.) > > What happens in the Senate? The Majority will want Hunter Biding to testify, and have the votes to compel it. (Trump and his mob will decline all demands for evidence or testimony, Mitch grinning.) But Hunter lacks immunity and might be arrested if he defies the subpoena. Moscow Mitch and the other Bitches will be able to play any game they want, for as long as they want. Sure they won’t want to drag it for more than a month or three, but the January-February framework is PERFECT for them. Throughout spring and summer they will rave about how the trial vindicated Trump, and how Hunter Biden refused to testify. > > After Moscow Mitch acquits Trump, that brat’s tantrums will be insufferable. A smirky joke about the trial will be his answer to any puzzle. _ **The whole Impeachment scenario is playing out in the GOP’s interest.** _ > > What \*should \*Pelosi do? I dunno; I can hardly play 2-D chess let alone 4-D. It’s too late for Pelosi and her gang of… respectable, fellow politicians to make a smart move. She proceeded with impeachment hearings due to political concerns and it’s going to backfire. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079/74 "2019-12-19T22:02:24Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Then blame the House Managers for waiting too long. > [Rule III](https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/SMAN-113/pdf/SMAN-113-pg223.pdf) That Rule says nothing at all about the time the House has. It only talks about the Senate immediately proceeding. Why aren’t you talking about Rule I? > [@](#): > > I. Whensoever the Senate shall receive notice from the House of Representatives that managers are appointed on their part to conduct an impeachment against any person and are directed to carry articles of impeachment to the Senate, the Secretary of the Senate shall immediately inform the House of Representatives that the Senate is ready to receive the managers for the purpose of exhibiting such articles of impeachment, agreeably to such notice. Since Pelosi has been saying she’s not transmitting the articles until the Senate informs her of the managers, it would appear that the Senate is already in violation of the Rules. Isn’t that something that should be commented on first? ---
**Author:** ![Clu-Me-In](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@Clu-Me-In](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clu-Me-In)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079/75 "2019-12-19T22:15:12Z")
McConnell declared even before the full House vote that he was going to coordinate the Senate vote with the Whitehouse. He declared in essence that he was going to let the President decide how the Senate would proceed. This was before the House impeachment vote. Why then should there be a swearing in conducted by the Chief Justice. What is the point? ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079/76 "2019-12-19T22:41:53Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Since Pelosi has been saying she’s not transmitting the articles until the Senate informs her of the managers, it would appear that the Senate is already in violation of the Rules. Isn’t that something that should be commented on first? This doesn’t make sense. The Senate doesn’t appoint managers, that’s the House’s responsibility, and the House hasn’t yet done that. The Senate isn’t in violation of anything, yet. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2019, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079/77 "2019-12-19T23:12:05Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > This doesn’t make sense. The Senate doesn’t appoint managers, that’s the House’s responsibility, and the House hasn’t yet done that. The Senate isn’t in violation of anything, yet. Yes, I misread that and confused it with Pelosi’s statement that she wants more detail about how the Senate will conduct the trial before sending the articles over. Mea culpa. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079/78 "2019-12-20T02:36:10Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Yes, I misread that and confused it with Pelosi’s statement that she wants more detail about how the Senate will conduct the trial before sending the articles over. Mea culpa. Rare on the SDMB, particularly where politics are concerned. I salute you! ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079/79 "2019-12-20T03:46:25Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Rare on the SDMB, particularly where politics are concerned. > I salute you! Yes, well said. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2019, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079/80 "2019-12-20T04:16:47Z")
When Nancy sends the articles of impeachment to the senate, Mitch is going to wipe his ass with them and throw them in the trash on top of a shit stained copy of the Constitution that he has never read. I don’t see any reason for Nancy to be in any rush to help Mitch complete this desecration. He can stand there with his hand out and soiled bottom until Nancy is good and god damned ready to proceed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nancy-should-hold-on-to-articles-of-impeachment/845079.md?page=5)