# National Fraternal Order of Police endorses Trump - Mask isn't just slipping it's being thrown away **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 17, 2016, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176 "2016-09-17T17:47:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176/41 "2016-09-19T03:05:17Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Clinton has made anti-police statements. Such as? This is all I could find. I didn’t look too hard though. [http://www.dailywire.com/news/2670/hillary-goes-all-black-lives-matter-sundays-debate-james-barrett](http://www.dailywire.com/news/2670/hillary-goes-all-black-lives-matter-sundays-debate-james-barrett) > [@](#): > > “Well, sadly it’s reality, and it has been heartbreaking and incredibly outraging to see the constant stories of young men like Walter Scott, as you said, who have been killed by police officers,” said Clinton. “There needs to be a concerted effort to address the systemic racism in our criminal justice system. And that requires a very clear agenda for retraining police officers, looking at ways to end racial profiling, finding more ways to really bring the disparities that stalk our country into high relief.” Police officers do have poor relations with black people (and the mentally ill). Why is admitting to institutional bias a sign of being anti-police? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176/42 "2016-09-19T05:04:41Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > This isn’t all that surprising. I don’t think Hillary Clinton herself has been particularly antagonistic toward the police, but democrats and left wing activists have protested police conduct in high profile cases. Of course they had a point, but the police, not eager to change their culture, have probably felt that the activists are taking the sides of victims and are less protective of law enforcement’s interests. It’s unfortunate, but I don’t see police departments, most of which are still accountable to the general public and public servants, getting toxic like Wayne Lapierre, I probably won’t lose too much sleep over this. It was clear early on that Trump was going to appeal to the police more than his leftist counterparts. I’d be curious to hear who you view as being Trump’s “leftist” counterparts. Should you choose to respond, please bear in mind that to legitimately wear the label “leftist,” one should ideally be on the “left.” ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176/43 "2016-09-19T07:03:22Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Like what? I’m aware of some remarks about racist bias and excessive force on the part of some officers. Is any criticism of the worst officers to be taken as a statement against the whole membership or institution? Just looking at [her website](https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/criminal-justice-reform/), lots of things seem to imply that she thinks police generally are racist: > [@](#): > > African American men are far more likely to be stopped and searched by police, charged with crimes, and sentenced to longer prison terms than white men found guilty of the same offenses. > … > Acknowledging that implicit bias still exists across society—even in the best police departments—and tackle it together. > … > Supporting legislation to end racial profiling by federal, state, and local law enforcement officials. > … > Strengthening the U.S. Department of Justice’s pattern or practice unit—the unit that monitors civil rights violations—by increasing the department’s resources, working to secure subpoena power, and improving data collection for pattern or practice investigations. The highlighted portions seem to be criticism of the whole institution, not just the worst officers. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176/44 "2016-09-19T07:06:17Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Police deal with a lot of people who aren’t criminals, actually. But it does seem easy to forget that. They do very rarely shoot the non-criminals. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176/45 "2016-09-19T07:50:56Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Just looking at [her website](https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/criminal-justice-reform/), lots of things seem to imply that she thinks police generally are racist: > > The highlighted portions seem to be criticism of the whole institution, not just the worst officers. YMMV. Because it is a criticism of the whole institution, and not invalid. It’s the kind of criticism the police need to be able and willing to take on board: [Implicit Bias](http://www.vox.com/2014/8/28/6051971/police-implicit-bias-michael-brown-ferguson-missouri) is a thing and it needs to be addressed. ---
**Author:** ![DonLogan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@DonLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DonLogan)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176/46 "2016-09-19T11:30:58Z")
Cop unions always endorse the repub. Nothing to see here. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176/47 "2016-09-19T12:37:33Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > They do very rarely shoot the non-criminals. They rarely shoot anyone. And no one is a criminal until after they’ve been convicted. Perhaps what you meant to say is “They rarely shoot anyone other than suspects.” Which is both true and in many, many cases, deplorable. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176/48 "2016-09-19T13:57:30Z")
> [@Hail\_Ants](#): > > criminals are overwhelmingly lowlife scum who deserve everything that happens to them. That is a dark fucking road you’re choosing to go down. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176/49 "2016-09-19T14:03:57Z")
> [@jtur88](#): > > I am not a woman, but I support women’s rights. I am not an incarcerated criminal, but I support penal reform. I am not a Muslim, but I support freedom of religion. Even though none of those promise to enhance my own personal convenience or fortune. > > I would like to think the police would support things that are good for the republic and the commonweal, and not just that which is good for their own private personal interests. Democracy serves a nation only insofar as the citizenry can look beyond ways in which the system can be manipulated for one’s own personal gain. Police Unions are not “the police” The union has to support things that are good for the police in general. If I was the policeman’s union, I would vote for Trump. Hillary couldn’t even be bothered to fill out their questionnaire. I mean WTF??? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176/50 "2016-09-19T14:10:26Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > 40% of police officers [abuse their families](http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/09/police-officers-who-hit-their-wives-or-girlfriends/380329/) (compared to 10% of the general public). And many people who are dealt with by the police are low level criminals. Traffic violators, drug users, the mentally ill, the homeless, people suspected of misdemeanors or non-violent felonies, etc. > > Very few people are serious, remorseless criminals. > > Life is not black and white. Cops are not all brave heroes fighting against sociopathic gang members. Reality is more murky. Its a shitty job and it takes a lot o character not to become a shitty person when you have such a shitty job. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176/51 "2016-09-19T14:11:27Z")
> [@DonLogan](#): > > Cop unions always endorse the repub. Nothing to see here. They endorsed Clinton over Dole in 1996. ---
**Author:** ![TheStake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecae2f/32.png) [@TheStake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheStake)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176/52 "2016-09-19T14:17:55Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Its a shitty job and it takes a lot o character not to become a shitty person when you have such a shitty job. Absolutely on point. It is a hard job, and calling them all racist was, and is, a sure way to push them to vote for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176/53 "2016-09-19T14:29:05Z")
> [@TheStake](#): > > Absolutely on point. It is a hard job, and calling them all racist was, and is, a sure way to push them to vote for Trump. And yet Clinton didn’t do this. Look, there are good unions and bad unions. FOP is one of the worst unions out there. For all the grief AFT and NEA get, they don’t waste time defending members who harm those in their care. They don’t spend time threatening people who speak out against them. FOP is terrible, and police ought to disassociate themselves from this group. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176/54 "2016-09-19T14:59:09Z")
> [@TheStake](#): > > Absolutely on point. It is a hard job, and calling them all racist was, and is, a sure way to push them to vote for Trump. “I was _going_ to vote for whom I considered to be the better/saner candidate, but since you insulted me/us I/we are going to vote for El Stupido!” Does anyone with an I.Q. over 65 really believe that to be a valid claim, or is it just a tired excuse? ---
**Author:** ![TheStake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecae2f/32.png) [@TheStake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheStake)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176/55 "2016-09-19T15:03:36Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > “I was _going_ to vote for whom I considered to be the better/saner candidate, but since you insulted me/us I/we are going to vote for El Stupido!” > Does anyone with an I.Q. over 65 really believe that to be a valid claim, or is it just a tired excuse? You are a fool if you believe that Trump supporters have the highest IQ’s. I didn’t think you needed it explained that when you insult people they go away. Friends are like snowflakes, you piss on em, and they go away. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176/56 "2016-09-19T15:14:38Z")
> [@TheStake](#): > > You are a fool if you believe that Trump supporters have the highest IQ’s. > I didn’t think you needed it explained that when you insult people they go away. > > Friends are like snowflakes, you piss on em, and they go away. 🙂 They were Trump supporters to begin with-I’m saying that it wasn’t any supposed or imaginary insults that drove them away, because they were _always_ away. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176/57 "2016-09-19T15:17:38Z")
> [@TheStake](#): > > … and calling them all racist was, … OK, who did that now? ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176/58 "2016-09-19T15:46:35Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Like what? I’m aware of some remarks about racist bias and excessive force on the part of some officers. Is any criticism of the worst officers to be taken as a statement against the whole membership or institution? ~But you can’t hold a whole police fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn’t we blame the whole police fraternity system? And if the whole police fraternity system is guilty, then isn’t this an indictment of our justice institutions in general? I put it to you–isn’t this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we’re not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen! > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > NO! You should be VERY frightened. Only a Strong Man Leader can save us now. We are being overrun by “them”. We must fight to keep “them” away from good people like us. Vote Strong Man Leader! Glorious Leader! I wonder if Trump had his foundation buy that six-foot portrait so he can put up giant replicas in public spaces if he wins–a la Chairman Mao, Saddam, and that funny little guy in Korea, among others. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176/59 "2016-09-19T18:00:57Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Its a shitty job and it takes a lot o character not to become a shitty person when you have such a shitty job. That is the reason why many cops have no business being cops. ---
**Author:** ![TheStake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecae2f/32.png) [@TheStake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheStake)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2016, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176/60 "2016-09-19T18:08:08Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > They were Trump supporters to begin with-I’m saying that it wasn’t any supposed or imaginary insults that drove them away, because they were _always_ away. Keep up that attitude. Trump needs it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/national-fraternal-order-of-police-endorses-trump-mask-isnt-just-slipping-its-being-thrown-away/766176.md?page=4)