Oddly enough :dubious::eek:, there’s a big ad in USA Today today (yes, today) featuring Kevin Trudeau and his get-rich-secrets-they-don’t-want-you-to-know which you can have for free plus $19.95 shipping and processing fee.
The [del]marks[/del] prospective customers are the kind of people who believe in secret conspiracies by the Elite to conceal natural cures, enslave and kill them, so it only makes sense that they would willingly purchase Secrets that Trudeau supposedly learned from the Brotherhood, an elite circle of [del]Illuminati[/del] [del]Freemasons[/del] rich and influential people who willingly shared with him their keys to power and wealth.
It’s kind of sweet that while plotting to sicken and exterminate most of the world’s people, the Big Boys are also sharing their get-rich-quick know-how with the masses. There’s a heart of gold in there somewhere, one supposes.
Initially Trudeau was selling memberships in this exclusive club for major $$$. Now he’s an “ex-member” who’s revealing the group’s secrets, thus turning on the Illuminati big-time. One wonders why he isn’t in witness protection, though I guess that’d be futile since Their tentacles are everywhere. :(:eek:
More valuable for that company to ditch the cure and continue selling treatment. besides, who is to say the big pharma companies are not all in bed together?
Not if that company is a small start-up with a potential cure. They don’t have any stake in the treatment business, and if they come up with a drug they’ll instantly have a humongous market for their new cure while simultaneously demolishing the treatment market for every other company.
Any big pharma employee sitting on such a cure could make hundreds of millions of dollars (just for themselves!) if they just quit and started their own company.
Are for-profit pharmaceutical companies the only organizations in the world that are allowed to do medical research?
The for-profit sector of the health care industry is much smaller than the governmental and not-for-profit sector, even here in the United States. Stipulated that for-profit medical companies want to make money, not cure diseases, and they only cure diseases if they can make money doing so. So let’s imagine that the entire for-profit sector is utterly and completely worthless in curing disease. Why do the nonprofits and governments go along with them? OK, let’s say here in the United States the for-profits buy off the politicians. Do the American pharma companies do the same thing in Canada, Germany, France, Japan, Sweden, Britain, and Russia? All over the world there’s not a single national health care system that can stand up to the American pharmaceutical companies without being bought off or silenced?
If so, wow, we Americans fucking rule. Who’d have thought we could be so shrewd and conniving to bring the world to it’s knees like this? I mean, usually we bumble along trying to nation-build in third world shitholes like Iraq and Afghanistan and fail miserably, but this is pretty diabolically effective.
Also note that health insurance companies / HMOs have a huge financial incentive to lower medical costs. If there were a proven low-cost alternative to standard medicines, insurance companies would mandate that those treatments were to be tried prior to switching to the more expensive treatments.
Ok well ask yourself this question… We have gone to space, have developed computers, built the F/A 22 Raptor, and mastered the automobile for over 100 years right? You mean to tell me that GM couldn’t build a car that lasts forever without a tuneup??? Sure they can… But once everyone has one then theirs no more money to be made… Same with cures. Yes cures could create billions in revenue but once everyone is cured then thats it. No more money comming in…
Our world is integrated with M.A.D or Mutual Assured Destruction. Everything has a price and a consequence to everything to food to war or drugs. Thats why the world is crumbling as we speak. Well believe it or not this has to do with everything and everyone. It’s so much bigger than us and all major corporations of all walks of life has some dictation or competitor just waiting for someone to fail. Today your have to step out of the box and look into everything before you believe it. Question with boldness. Nobody smart would say “your full of it” and think your just a conspiracy theorists. That would be ignorant. As soon as you ask a good question and all you get is a 20 minute response and it still didn’t answer your question to me smells like Sh… I don’t want to believe that drug company’s are holding out on vital cures but corruption is everywhere and the notion of the “No way that’s not possible” is actuality ignorant. To even believe the press today is ignorant. Like if you own your own business and hire employees and to believe and to trust and not verify would be what… ignorant. They thought the world was flat many centuries ago. They thought that the moon had life with oceans and rivers before they could go their and say for 100% certainty that their wasn’t life on the moon. So if they got it wrong before wouldn’t you want to verify before a medication is prescribed to you? ?? Like … what is this… Why are your prescribing it to me for?? Can this be healthy to take?? The fact is that people put way too much trust into doctors today as well as our government, believing that they wouldn’t let that happen to you… I know someone that’s on 24 different medications! imagine that… I ask alot “why you on that for” all I get is “I don’t know” that’s sad. Sometimes the doctors don’t even know about a cretin med he is now prescribing. It’s the drug sale rep. that tells your doctor what they want to hear not what they need to hear. Sorry to ramble on here but to me it’s all common sense. Some food for thought…
Spoken like someone who’s not an engineer. You think a hunk of metal experiencing ~400 explosions per second isn’t ever going to get a little out of kilter after a while?
When was the last time you met a leper? Polio victim? Smallpox sufferer? Do you know how much money is lost per year due to sickness? As others have said, there are entities other than pharmaceutical companies who can do research, and they have a great financial incentive to find permanent cures and have access to far more money than the drug industry.
When was the last time you got a tuneup on your car? Cars need a LOT less maintainence than they used to 30 years ago. American cars in the 70s were gas-guzzling pollution-spewing unsafe rustbuckets that fell apart in a few years. Cars today last forever.
And you know why this is? It’s Japan. We used to make crappy cars, the Japanese made better cars and the American public bought them up like crazy until after two decades of scrambing the American car companies finally caught up.
The notion that because we’ve been to the moon we can therefore build a car that lasts forever is nonsensical. The moon landings were gigantically expensive stunts on the bleeding edge of possibility in the 70s. This is what can be achieved if you throw money at the problem. And F-22 Raptors cost $100 million dollars each. If you want to spend $100 million dollars on a car, I can guarantee you’ll get a fucking fantastic car.
So yeah, maybe GM is sandbagging and they could create a super-car that costs only a few thousand dollars, but won’t because it would cut into their profits. This is the attitude they had in the 70s after all. But why would the Koreans and the Indians and the Japanese and the Germans go along with this little scheme? There are plenty of countries like India with almost no domestic auto industry that are trying to develop cheap cars like the Tata. Why won’t India come out with a cheap supercar? They have no entrenched manufacturers to protect. When Korean manufacturers like Hyundai started up in the 80s, Korea had no entrenched auto manufacturing oligarchs either, so why didn’t they build cheap supercars?
You’re absolutely right that every company has some competitor just waiting for them to fail. This is why once a palliative treatment for a disease is discovered, it eventually becomes a commodity product. Pfizer invents Viagra and makes a mint, but other companies see the profit potential and try to grab some of it for themselves, and pretty soon the profits get eaten up and Pfizer has to look for another cash cow.
As for your description of how the drug company representatives push all sorts of drugs on us, well that may be, but notice that while the United States is a large and prosperous country we aren’t the entire world. Most of the rest of the world doesn’t have the same system of privatized pharmaceutical research. And guess what, in Japan and Britain and France and Germany and Canada they don’t prescribe nearly as many drugs and people get a lot less surgery. But they don’t have any miracle cures over there that we don’t have over here. America is the land of the micracle cure, and it turns out that a lot of these miracle cures cost a lot of money for marginal improvements in outcomes.
Your problem isn’t that you’re too cynical, it’s that you’re not cynical enough.
I’ll put to you the point I raised earlier, which no devotee of they-don’t-want-you-to-know has addressed.
If you add up all the people who’d have to be involved in hushing up sure-fire natural safe 100% effective cures (or quashing research into them), you’d have loads of drug company execs, employees and researchers, independent researchers, physicians, other health care workers and the news media - at a minimum, hundreds of thousands of people falling in lockstep and all keeping the Secret, even though it means they suffer and die from chronic ailments and cancer just like everyone else. Then, add to that all of the families and friends of these people, who are doomed to lack of immortality themselves. We’re talking many millions of people in the U.S. alone. So, They are not only keeping us in the dark, but they’re denying themselves and those close to them these fabulous remedies.
How do you explain this stunning lack of self-interest?* Does it remotely make sense to you, even if you believe that the hundreds of thousands In The Know are so horribly evil that they’re deliberately sacrificing the well-being of the general public for personal wealth?
Conspiracy theorists definitely need to step out of the box and examine their foolish, malign beliefs in the light of true common sense**.
*if the comeback to this is that They are already using the Secret Cures and living forever - yeah, right. And your evidence for that claim is…? :dubious:
**As Kevin Trudeau’s success shows, conspiracy believers who fancy themselves way smarter than the sheeple are actually the easiest to rope into spending their money for phony cures and quackery.
Two very recent items in the news argue against your case:
Aspirin I direct your attention to the synopsis of benefits regarding colorectal cancer, although other diseases, notably cardiac also benefit from this inexpensive, unpatented drug which is being extensively studied now.
Vitamin D. Similarly, look at the extensive research going into Vitamin D, an unpatented inexpensive vitamin, and the recent studies showing benefits. Hmm. I really ought to boost my intake. Thanks.
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This thread was a GQ when it started seven years ago. Today, it’s a debate about conspiracy theories, which really doesn’t belong here. Rather than shuffle the old zombie off to a different forum, I’m closing it down. Please feel free to start a new debate over in Great Debates, or form a new factual GQ.
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:dubious::eek:, there’s a big ad in USA Today today (yes, today) featuring Kevin Trudeau and his get-rich-secrets-they-don’t-want-you-to-know which you can have for free plus $19.95 shipping and processing fee.