# Nava, I can't let this go **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 11, 2007, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783 "2007-09-11T13:45:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783/101 "2007-09-11T15:37:36Z")
[QUOTE=Annie-Xmas] Ferries were banned in London.?I don’t think that was the fault of the USA. Ferries were running from New York to New Jersey, and they were the only way New Jersey people could get home that day. Nobody knew what would happen next. Buses were banned for fear of a bomb going off in the Lincoln Tunnel. What fools we were. Nobody would bomb the tube! :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] Jesus H Christ. Ferries were not banned in London. Were did you get that from? Again, attack her for what she actually said or argue with what other people actually said, not what you want them to have said. People were told by their company not to travel. I’m assuming since they stayed put they took this order from their bosses seriously. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783/102 "2007-09-11T15:38:03Z")
[QUOTE=Justin\_Bailey] What kind of fucked up country do you live in that _terrorism_ and _the threat of more terrorism at any given time_ is the norm? [/QUOTE] Iraq Palestine/Israel/Lebanon Darfur Congo Angolia Uganda Somalia Sudan Haiti Nigeria Indonesia Afghanistan Uzbekistan Syria I’m woefully ignorant on international affairs, but those are some I know of. I’m sure there are more. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783/103 "2007-09-11T15:38:20Z")
[QUOTE=Nava] Refusing firemen, medical teams and blood that are being offered to you for free qualifies as over-reaction. It was over-reaction when the Russians did it, it was over-reaction when the Americans did it, and it would be over-reaction if Spain did it. Refusing to let people drive home on their own penny is over-reaction. [/QUOTE] You morons can barely manage your own country, you had to have a tin-pot dictator like Franco leading you around like sheep for fifty years, after all. Why the fuck would we want a bunch of incompetent, fuck ups from Spain helping us? We have fire fighters here in the United States. **We don’t need your help** , just like we didn’t need your help in Iraq if your response to terrorism is to tuck your tails between your legs and whimper out just like Al-Qaeda wanted you to do. Al-Qaeda should give you guys an award for being such disgusting cowards. ---
**Author:** ![DudleyGarrett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d9b06d/32.png) [@DudleyGarrett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DudleyGarrett)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783/104 "2007-09-11T15:38:51Z")
[QUOTE=Mr Bus Guy] Yeah, well your’e new, hang around a while dickface. [/QUOTE] Actually, I think I could be here for 10 more years and I’d probably never see a comment that beats what you typed back there. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783/105 "2007-09-11T15:39:10Z")
> [@](#): > > I keep saying it - is anyone listening? It’s certainly OK to make fun of us! It’s OK to say we overreacted. What I don’t think is OK is Nava’s original statement “Watching Americans run around like chickens with their heads cut off was fun.” > [@Nava](#): > > … was actually kind of fun I realize I should have put the “in a black humor kind of way” in my original post, but please, if you’re going to quote me, do it right. “Kind of fun” is not the same as “fun.” Or at least it’s not to me, we seem to be getting into the language issues part of the cake. Like I’ve said before, I realize my original post was written too hastily and that I made the mistake of bringing anything other than condolences to a thread about condolences. I’m sorry for causing you pain. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783/106 "2007-09-11T15:39:57Z")
[QUOTE=Martin Hyde] You morons can barely manage your own country, you had to have a tin-pot dictator like Franco leading you around like sheep for fifty years, after all. Why the fuck would we want a bunch of incompetent, fuck ups from Spain helping us? We have fire fighters here in the United States. **We don’t need your help** , just like we didn’t need your help in Iraq if your response to terrorism is to tuck your tails between your legs and whimper out just like Al-Qaeda wanted you to do. Al-Qaeda should give you guys an award for being such disgusting cowards. [/QUOTE] Wow. Ugly. ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783/107 "2007-09-11T15:41:04Z")
[QUOTE=WhyNot] _3500_ - the numbers you’re quoting include the rescue workers, don’t they? She listed them as two separate stats, as if there were 3000 people killed in addition to 500 rescue workers killed. 3500 is a lot more than 2973 - 20% more, if my math is right. If not, I apologize. I’d also encourage you to go back and read for content instead of nitpicks. My point stands whether it was 3000 or 30,000 dead. [/QUOTE] Huh? Your original post (that I was responding to) said that 3000 was much higher than any you’d heard, not 3500. Was that a typo? If so, then yeah, that’s higher. The total is the total; it includes passengers, rescue workers, people in the buildings, etc. I think it may even include a couple of people who have died since of asbestos poisoning and whatnot. The only people it doesn’t include are the hijackers. As for “nitpicking”, I do understand your point. It came off as though you thought people were melodramatically inflating numbers for effect. My point is that that claim, rather than saying “whatever the death toll” weakens your point rather than strengthening it. Meh, whatever. In retrospect I should probably have just kept out of it. I’m going to go unsubscribe from this thread to avoid the inevitable flooding of my inbox. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783/108 "2007-09-11T15:43:29Z")
[QUOTE=yojimbo] Jesus H Christ. Ferries were not banned in London. Were did you get that from? Again, attack her for what she actually said or argue with what other people actually said, not what you want them to have said. People were told by their company not to travel. I’m assuming since they stayed put they took this order from their bosses seriously. [/QUOTE] Not just told, forbidden. When the person in my factory asked to travel in the ferry she was told she’d get fired if she did. She was her aunt and mother’s sole source of support (except for their pensions). I didn’t change my vote after the March 11 bombs. But I do agree that those who did because they thought it would keep Al Qaeda away are cowards. So, sorry, **Martin Hyde** , if that was intended to offend me, it didn’t. As for Franco, even his fans don’t make it beyond 40 years, and when he died I was too young to do anything about it. ---
**Author:** ![Man\_With\_a\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cab0a1/32.png) [@Man\_With\_a\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Man_With_a_Cat)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783/109 "2007-09-11T15:44:41Z")
[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett] Actually, I think I could be here for 10 more years and I’d probably never see a comment that beats what you typed back there. [/QUOTE] Read post 78. The original reference used the word ‘combatant’. I highly doubt any of the people that were at desks in the Pentagon that morning were just grabbing a bagel before heading off to fight in combat. No wonder you read things and think they’re stupid, you read through stupid glasses. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783/110 "2007-09-11T15:47:38Z")
[QUOTE=Nava] Not just told, forbidden. When the person in my factory asked to travel in the ferry she was told she’d get fired if she did. She was her aunt and mother’s sole source of support (except for their pensions). [/quote] Well, welcome to working for a shitty company. The United States of America’s government has no means to fire employees of a private company, period. They also have no means to ground flights outside of our territorial air space without starting a war. If other countries grounded flights it was because their governments chose to do so. > [@](#): > > I didn’t change my vote after the March 11 bombs. But I do agree that those who did because they thought it would keep Al Qaeda away are cowards. So, sorry, **Martin Hyde** , if that was intended to offend me, it didn’t. As for Franco, even his fans don’t make it beyond 40 years, and when he died I was too young to do anything about it. I had no intentions except to convey the message that you’re from a country of fuck-ups and incompetents. Spain is like the Mexico of Western Europe and an embarrassment, in my opinion. Its people are stupid and poor, and its politicians are spineless cowards. Furthermore the Spanish can’t even deal with their own internal problems so the idea that we would want them contaminating America with their incompetence is laughable. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783/111 "2007-09-11T15:48:25Z")
[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett] Actually, I think I could be here for 10 more years and I’d probably never see a comment that beats what you typed back there. [/QUOTE] I know it’s a bit of a hijack, but could you explain what you think was so stupid about **Mr Bus Guy** ’s post? [QUOTE=AskOxford] combatant /kombtnt/ • noun a person or nation engaged in fighting during a war. • adjective engaged in fighting during a war. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783/112 "2007-09-11T15:49:37Z")
[QUOTE=Martin Hyde] The United States of America’s government has no means to fire employees of a private company, period. [/QUOTE] And why would anybody think they can? 😕 But the people making those decisions and those threats were American and not thinking with their brains at all. Their decision would have been equally imbecilic if they’d been from Bilbao. ---
**Author:** ![cards](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecd19e/32.png) [@cards](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cards)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783/113 "2007-09-11T15:50:54Z")
[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett] Hiroshima? Dresden? Nagasaki? Are those examples good enough? [/QUOTE] Pearl Harbor? Auschwitz? Bataan? Are you arguing that US behavior before WWII created the conditions that led to the surprise attack on the US, genocide and torture, then trying to draw a parallel with US behavior that led to the surprise attack on 9/11? Sure the US didn’t supply Japan with the oil resources it thought it needed and supported the UK with the Lend Lease Act. Sure the US supported Israel and our policies are not in strict conformity with muslim extremists. And all that justifies these actions against the US and others, from which the US should seek no retribution? Is this what you’re saying? ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783/114 "2007-09-11T15:51:21Z")
[QUOTE=Nava] And why would anybody think they can? 😕 But the people making those decisions and those threats were American. Their decision would have been equally imbecilic if they’d been from Bilbao. [/QUOTE] Well you’re hear essentially crying about a few friends of yours who were inconvenienced and blaming it on America. America is a big country with a lot of people, you shouldn’t judge it based on a few managers in your company. Just like I don’t judge Spain based on you (my already existing negative view of Spain was only reinforced by your comments here.) ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783/115 "2007-09-11T15:51:39Z")
Knowing the political bent of this board I knew it was a mistake to come here today. I’m going to read [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86458) and then stay out for the rest of the day. I lost some respect for you today, **Nava**. I know that means jack shit to you, but I recognized your name as being associated with some interesting posts. It saddens me that you would find anything about that day fun, even in a “black humor” sort of way. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783/116 "2007-09-11T15:53:21Z")
[QUOTE=fachverwirrt] Huh? Your original post (that I was responding to) said that 3000 was much higher than any you’d heard, not 3500. Was that a typo? [/QUOTE] Yes, that was a typo on my part, based on the numbers she gave. Sorry for the confusion; this thread is moving pretty quickly and I’m not proofreading as well as I should in an effort to keep up. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783/117 "2007-09-11T15:53:45Z")
[QUOTE=Martin Hyde] Well you’re hear essentially crying about a few friends of yours who were inconvenienced and blaming it on America. America is a big country with a lot of people, you shouldn’t judge it based on a few managers in your company. Just like I don’t judge Spain based on you (my already existing negative view of Spain was only reinforced by your comments here.) [/QUOTE] I’m not blaming it on America! ---
**Author:** ![Nutty\_Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d07c76/32.png) [@Nutty\_Bunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nutty_Bunny)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783/118 "2007-09-11T15:53:59Z")
[QUOTE=yojimbo] Well I got it and gave my interpretation before **Nava** clarified. It seemed pretty clear to me in context. I wasn’t trying to be offended though. [/QUOTE] I wasn’t “trying to be offended” either. It seems like those of us who read it that way were watching it live and watching it happen over and over again in replays, and watching it happen in our country and those images are permanently imbedded in my memory that it’s the first thing I thought of. Those of you who didn’t read it that way, may not have the same memories and feelings come up. ---
**Author:** ![DudleyGarrett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d9b06d/32.png) [@DudleyGarrett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DudleyGarrett)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783/119 "2007-09-11T15:54:36Z")
[QUOTE=Crotalus] I know it’s a bit of a hijack, but could you explain what you think was so stupid about **Mr Bus Guy** ’s post? [/QUOTE] Ever been in the military? Even when I had a job working in a huge computer facility on Scott AFB, it was well understood that I could be deployed at any time. Two years later I was stationed in Tuzla, Bosnia carrying a loaded firearm, ready to fire. What is stupid about the comment is that anyone who’s in the military could be deployed anywhere at anytime, and as soon as 9/11 happened, everyone in the military was an active combatant. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783/120 "2007-09-11T15:54:52Z")
[QUOTE=Nava] I realize I should have put the “in a black humor kind of way” in my original post, but please, if you’re going to quote me, do it right. “Kind of fun” is not the same as “fun.” Or at least it’s not to me, we seem to be getting into the language issues part of the cake. Like I’ve said before, I realize my original post was written too hastily and that I made the mistake of bringing anything other than condolences to a thread about condolences. I’m sorry for causing you pain. [/QUOTE] If I wanted to quote you 100% correctly, rest assured I would have put it in a quote tag. I was paraphrasing. I’ve said enough, too. I don’t want your non-apology apology. I’m out of this thread, goodbye. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nava-i-cant-let-this-go/418783.md?page=7)