# Naxos Is From An Alternate Universe **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2011, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704 "2011-05-29T22:16:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704/41 "2011-05-30T00:13:26Z")
I predict “banned” by the 4th of July. ---
**Author:** ![Naxos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/50afbb/32.png) [@Naxos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Naxos)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704/42 "2011-05-30T00:13:51Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I don’t think any of us here are questioning your experience in the area of mental disorders. OK, that was funny. 😃 However, if I was one of the afflicted, I would be supporting religion rather than diagnosing it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704/43 "2011-05-30T00:21:26Z")
[QUOTE=Naxos] The one about carving out an area in the Sahara Desert? I also said I’d gladly give them Texas too. [/QUOTE] Sure, and most people who say stuff like this are obviously joking. Sadly, I didn’t get that you were talking tongue in cheek there. If you were, then you whooshed me. If not then, well, it indicates seriously mental instability, to say the least…and a rather tenuous grasp of reality. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Naxos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/50afbb/32.png) [@Naxos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Naxos)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704/44 "2011-05-30T00:24:11Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Sure, and most people who say stuff like this are obviously joking. Sadly, I didn’t get that you were talking tongue in cheek there. If you were, then you whooshed me. If not then, well, it indicates seriously mental instability, to say the least…and a rather tenuous grasp of reality. > > -XT Ohhh… I don’t know… just kill several thousands of dark skinned people and call it a divine purpose! It may work for some people. It does not work for me. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704/45 "2011-05-30T00:35:45Z")
[QUOTE=Naxos] Ohhh… I don’t know… just kill several thousands of dark skinned people and call it a divine purpose! [/QUOTE] Ok…so, you really are stupid and ignorant as well, so no point in continuing any sort of discussion with you. And I’m tired of threads with the batshit insane and ignorant…if I wanted a discussion like that I’d open up one of Le Jac’s numerous threads, or one of the anti-nuclear rant threads. I guess I need to add you to my mental list of whacked out 'dopers, though if John Mace is right in his prediction it shouldn’t be something I need to keep track of for any extended period of time. > [@](#): > > It may work for some people. It does not work for me. Are you going for the ‘pity me because I’m ignorant AND crazy’ vibe here? Let me know how that works out for you… -XT ---
**Author:** ![Naxos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/50afbb/32.png) [@Naxos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Naxos)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704/46 "2011-05-30T00:43:35Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Ok…so, you really are stupid and ignorant as well, so no point in continuing any sort of discussion with you. And I’m tired of threads with the batshit insane and ignorant…if I wanted a discussion like that I’d open up one of Le Jac’s numerous threads, or one of the anti-nuclear rant threads. I guess I need to add you to my mental list of whacked out 'dopers, though if John Mace is right in his prediction it shouldn’t be something I need to keep track of for any extended period of time. > > Are you going for the ‘pity me because I’m ignorant AND crazy’ vibe here? Let me know how that works out for you… > > -XT You’re not making any definite statement in your comments. Do you support the indiscriminate killing of people because of another group of people claiming divine purpose of the massacre? Don’t answer that, it’s a rhetorical question. And I just remembered I’m not supposed to comment on Israeli massacre activities. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704/47 "2011-05-30T00:50:21Z")
Religious belief is a learned and shared delusion. I don’t think that qualifies it as a mental illness, any more than any other false belief does. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704/48 "2011-05-30T01:07:23Z")
[QUOTE=Naxos] You’re not making any definite statement in your comments. Do you support the indiscriminate killing of people because of another group of people claiming divine purpose of the massacre? [/QUOTE] The entire statement is a big ignorance based strawman, and a complete cartoon of the complexities and realities of the situation. It assumes that the Israelis are ‘indiscriminately killing people’ (which they aren’t), and that they are doing it because they feel they have some sort of ‘divine purpose’ (which isn’t the reason for the conflict, nor the reason people are getting killed). It also assumes that Israelis are white and Palestinians are ‘dark skinned people’, and that this is the reason it’s ok to kill them…or something. Basically, there is no way to pack any more ignorance into your meaningless statements unless you want to bring in space aliens or some whacky conspiracy theory to top it off. Perhaps if you actually learned something about the history of the region and looked into the complexities of the situation, you’d have more insight into what’s really going on there. Or, you could just continue your sophomoric cartoon rants and ignorance filled crazy whack-nuttery and see how that works out for you. > [@](#): > > Don’t answer that, it’s a rhetorical question. And I just remembered I’m not supposed to comment on Israeli massacre activities. What are you talking about not supposed to comment?? This is the Pit you wingnut…knock yourself out. If you want to rant about ‘Israeli massacre activities’ or other fact free bullshit, this is certainly the place to let fly the hounds of crazy. Feel free. -XT ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704/49 "2011-05-30T01:17:23Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Religious belief is a learned and shared delusion. I don’t think that qualifies it as a mental illness, any more than any other false belief does. I don’t like religion either, but declaring religious belief to be a mental illness is stupid. A mental illness is a condition that leads to pathological difficulty or inability to conduct a functional, independent life. For example, everybody has _some_ odd compulsive or obsessive behaviors. But you don’t have obsessive-compulsive disorder unless these behaviors are so bad that they interfere with your ability to manage your life. Annoyed if all the dollar bills in your wallet are not oriented the same way? Not crazy. Full-blown panic attack if you step on a crack on the sidewalk? Crazy. The vast majority of religious people live perfectly functional lives. I don’t agree with them and I think their beliefs are asinine, stupid, and sometimes dangerous. But equating them all with people who have profound difficulties and who suffer from real illnesses is ignorant and cruel. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704/50 "2011-05-30T01:35:15Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Fundamentalist atheism is as foolish as every other form of religious extremism. I suspect this is just a throw-away false equivalence, but assuming not, can you at least define what fundamentalist atheism _is_? [QUOTE=friedo] Annoyed if all the dollar bills in your wallet are not oriented the same way? Not crazy. [/QUOTE] Thank you for the reassurance. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704/51 "2011-05-30T01:49:50Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > I suspect this is just a throw-away false equivalence, but assuming not, can you at least define what fundamentalist atheism _is_? I’m an atheist myself. But I’m not devout. However, there have been people on this board who have posted that they are certain that atheism is true and would remain certain they were right even if presented with objective evidence that a religious belief was true. And to me, holding on to your beliefs in the face of evidence that they’re wrong, is a religious belief. Even if your religion is atheism. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704/52 "2011-05-30T01:51:28Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > I suspect this is just a throw-away false equivalence, but assuming not, can you at least define what fundamentalist atheism _is_? See the posts of Naxos. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704/53 "2011-05-30T01:56:26Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > See the posts of Naxos. _The Posts of Naxos_ sounds like the title of a story you’d find in a discarded issue of _Astounding_ from the 50’s. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704/54 "2011-05-30T01:58:22Z")
A Starz Original Series. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704/55 "2011-05-30T02:03:30Z")
> [@Naxos](#): > > You’re not making any definite statement in your comments. Do you support the indiscriminate killing of people because of another group of people claiming divine purpose of the massacre? > > Don’t answer that, it’s a rhetorical question. And I just remembered I’m not supposed to comment on Israeli massacre activities. > > 🙂 I’ll answer it. The Israel-Palestine thing, even though it’s tinged with religion on both sides, really isn’t a religious conflict. It’s a matter of dueling nationalisms who are fighting over land, and even though some members of both groups use religion to buttress their claims, it’s not the root issue, and the leaders of both sides are thoroughly secular men and women (see, on Israel’s side, Zionism’s socialist roots and, on the side of the PLO, the mixture of Marxism and Arab nationalism) > [@Fatah's constitution](#): > > Article (1) Palestine is part of the Arab World, and the Palestinian people are part of the Arab Nation, and their struggle is part of its struggle. > > Article (2) The Palestinian people have an independent identity. They are the sole authority that decides their own destiny, and they have complete sovereignty on all their lands. > > Article (3) The Palestinian Revolution plays a leading role in liberating Palestine. > > Article (4) The Palestinian struggle is part and parcel of the world-wide struggle against Zionism, colonialism and international imperialism. . . . Fatah’s constitution doesn’t even mention religion. Hamas does, but Hamas is kind of late to the party. All of the early Palestinian terrorist groups were secular left wing groups…lots of stuff about resisting Zionist imperialism and forming revolutionary cadres and so on, not a lot about God or Islam. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704/56 "2011-05-30T02:08:39Z")
I haven’t had much contact with **Naxos** , but all I need to know about him is contained in this single sentence he posted up thread: > [@Naxos](#): > > It’s a disease because it is. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704/57 "2011-05-30T02:14:14Z")
> [@Naxos](#): > > Rest assured. I have the credentials. 🙂 Are you claiming you have credentials related to the understanding of human psychology? What credentials? > [@Naxos](#): > > …It’s a disease because it is. Um, cite? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704/58 "2011-05-30T02:17:20Z")
His post is his cite. He is credentialed, after all… -XT ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704/59 "2011-05-30T02:28:58Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’m an atheist myself. But I’m not devout. > > However, there have been people on this board who have posted that they are certain that atheism is true and would remain certain they were right even if presented with objective evidence that a religious belief was true. Who? Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2011, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704/60 "2011-05-30T02:34:15Z")
> [@Naxos](#): > > Religion is a mental disease. Repeating this over and over and over doesn’t make it so. But hey, whatever turns you on, I guess. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/naxos-is-from-an-alternate-universe/583704.md?page=4)