# Nazis at a Pride parade - How, exactly? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 13, 2019, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nazis-at-a-pride-parade-how-exactly/835464 "2019-06-13T04:09:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nazis-at-a-pride-parade-how-exactly/835464/41 "2019-06-19T22:47:15Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > Good Lord, UV, the police have been beating on “left wing” protesters since the fifties. And by “beating,” I mean clubbing, tear gassing, shooting and siccing of the dogs. And [continue to beat on “left-wing” protestors to this day](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/29/standing-rock-protest-north-dakota-shutdown-evacuation). The GOP response, meanwhile, has been to propose legislation to make it easier to absolve people who run over protesters with their cars of responsibility for the consequences of doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nazis-at-a-pride-parade-how-exactly/835464/42 "2019-06-19T22:55:16Z")
Since I think the factual aspects of the specific incident in the OP have been addressed, let’s move this over to Great Debates. Colibri General Questions Moderator ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nazis-at-a-pride-parade-how-exactly/835464/43 "2019-06-20T22:32:11Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > A Nazi march is an explicit threat… No, it is an _ **implied** _ threat. Fully within the law. > [@UltraVires](#): > > Who was brandishing weapons? I get your point. You believe that advocating Nazi ideas is threatening. The existing case law says that you can have threatening ideas. You can advocate for the violent overthrow of the government, you just cannot advocate for imminent lawless action. If the police have evidence that these Nazis are advocating to go get those other people right now, then there is a case. That hasn’t been shown. The mere carrying of weapons, where open carry is legal, is not a threat. > > Carrying banners are at the absolute core of free speech. You are simply saying that you don’t like them, therefore ban it under the guise of it being some sort of threat. There is no imminent threat in a Nazi parade. > [@](#): > > But again, if you propose this, don’t be surprised if some future wanna be dictator says that the march for a $15/hr minimum wage is merely a “threat” of socialism which is harmful to our way of life and should be banned. You cannot have it both ways. And sleep well. There might be something in the next few days. > [@UltraVires](#): > > When? Where? When has a public demonstration of a cause on your side had people jailed or the demonstration banned under some twisting of the true threats doctrine or otherwise? Nowhere, but Trump’s thugs can do it anywhere. Which, of course, they can, but not likely. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nazis-at-a-pride-parade-how-exactly/835464/44 "2019-06-20T23:26:07Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > When? Where? When has a public demonstration of a cause on your side had people jailed or the demonstration banned under some twisting of the true threats doctrine or otherwise? Are you serious? Folks like you used to put people like me in jail just for _existing_. [Ariston Bathhouse Raid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariston_Bathhouse_raid) > [@](#): > > Of the men arrested, some were charged with liquor law violations and disorderly conduct, and **at least sixteen were charged with sodomy**. [Baker Street raid](http://www.processhistory.org/sueyoshi-baker-street-vice/) [Operation Soap](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Soap) > [@](#): > > During the Operation Soap raids, police entered the four bathhouses at 11 p.m. and used crowbars to open patron lockers. Undercover police wore red dots on their clothing to show, according to one officer, “who are the straights.” Accounts from those arrested later presented to city council described hateful police behaviour. One officer allegedly told a line of men standing against a shower wall “I wish these pipes were hooked up to gas so I could annihilate you all,” a reference to Nazi death camps (see Canada and the Holocaust). Police compiled large amounts of personal information about the men rounded up, including the names of their work superiors and, for those who were married, names and phone numbers of their wives. The arrested feared retaliation from the police, who were known in the past to have made “concerned citizen” calls to employers when charges revolving around sexual orientation were laid. [Everard Baths Raid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everard_Baths) [Cooper’s Do-Nuts arrests](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooper_Do-nuts_Riot) [Compton’s Cafeteria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compton%27s_Cafeteria_riot) [The Black Cat Tavern](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Cat_Tavern) > [@](#): > > After arresting several patrons for kissing as they celebrated the occasion,[6] the undercover police officers began beating several of the patrons[7] and ultimately arrested fourteen patrons for “assault and public lewdness”.[8] [Howard Elfland at the Dover Hotel](http://www.back2stonewall.com/2019/03/march-9-1969-police-beat-gay-man-death-los-angeles-hotel-raid.html) > [@](#): > > LA vice officers Lemuel Chauncey and Richard Halligan claimed that Efland groped them so they arrested him, dragged him naked, bleeding and screaming down a flight of stairs by his feet and into the street. In front of several witnesses the two police officers who were well over 6’2 inches started beating the slightly built, unarmed and and non-resisting gay man to death while he screamed “Help me! My God, someone help me!” The two police officers kicked him repeatedly, did knee drops onto his stomach, and savagely beat him. Needless to say, the cops faced zero repercussions for their brutal murder of a naked, unarmed man. [Fucking Stonewall.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots) Note that I’m referring here to the police raid, not the justified riot it triggered. But note the description of a “typical” raid: > [@](#): > > During a typical raid, the lights were turned on, and customers were lined up and their identification cards checked. Those without identification or dressed in full drag were arrested; others were allowed to leave. Some of the men, including those in drag, used their draft cards as identification. Women were required to wear three pieces of feminine clothing, and would be arrested if found not wearing them. [The Snake Pit](http://www.nyclgbtsites.org/site/the-snake-pit/) [The Pisces Bathhouse](https://citymuseumedmonton.ca/2015/05/28/the-pisces-bathhouse-raid/) I can give you more if you want, because believe me, _I’ve got more._ ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2019, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nazis-at-a-pride-parade-how-exactly/835464/45 "2019-06-21T00:19:32Z")
And then there’s Bull Connor. When the freedom riders arrived in Birmingham, he held off the police under his control, to give the KKK time to attack the bus and the freedom riders; Using fire hoses and police dogs on civil rights marchers Tossing Martin Luther Ling Jr into the Birmingham jail for trying to lead civil rights events In one day, arresting and jailing close to a thousand children and youth for peaceful civil rights protests > **[Bull Connor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull_Connor)** > > Theophilus Eugene "Bull" Connor (July 11, 1897 – March 10, 1973) was an American politician who served as Commissioner of Public Safety for the city of Birmingham, Alabama, for more than two decades. A member of the Democratic Party, he strongly opposed the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s. Under the city commission government, Connor had responsibility for administrative oversight of the Birmingham Fire Department and the Birmingham Police Department, which also had their own chiefs. > As a wh... ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nazis-at-a-pride-parade-how-exactly/835464/46 "2019-06-22T19:54:30Z")
In case I was not clear, I meant what the posters in this thread are suggesting: a legal means to ban marches of people whose ideas they do not like which have occurred since the Supreme Court has generally protected this type of speech. I understand that in the distant and sometimes not so distant past, left wing marchers were prohibited and/or beaten, but some posters what to _bring that back_ and just make payback be a bitch. I would think that those who have experienced those things would be horrified at bringing those things back. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2019, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nazis-at-a-pride-parade-how-exactly/835464/47 "2019-06-23T02:15:35Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > I understand that in the distant and sometimes not so distant past, left wing marchers were prohibited and/or beaten And just to be very clear, that sort of violence against left-wing or otherwise “deviant” individuals is very much part of what Nazis and other fascist groups are still enthusiastically advocating. > [@UltraVires](#): > > I would think that those who have experienced those things would be horrified at bringing those things back. They are, which is why they’re worried about the aggressive hostility shown by the Nazis. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nazis-at-a-pride-parade-how-exactly/835464.md?page=2)