# NBA off-season **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 23, 2013, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723 "2013-06-23T20:28:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723/101 "2013-07-02T20:22:34Z")
The Wolves made offers to Reddick and Budinger. It gets harder to believe they are not trying to put together a mostly white team. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723/102 "2013-07-02T20:23:40Z")
The Spurs will keep Tiago Splitter on a four-year, $36 million deal. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723/103 "2013-07-02T20:34:37Z")
Wizards re-sign Martell Webster and pick up Eric Maynor. Surely those two put the Wiz over the top and they’re going to win it all next season. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723/104 "2013-07-02T20:36:09Z")
I wonder if Dwight Howard will become the new LeBron, vis a vis the public’s outright disdain and even hatred. I am not a fan, and don’t see him as worth the drama. Nice pick up by the Bulls with Dunleavy, big upgrade in their second unit scoring. Andray Blatche signed with the Nyets for dirt cheap, mostly to [to stick it to The Wizards](http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/7/1/4485222/andray-blatche-nets-contract-washington-wizards). That’s one cold dish of revenge. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723/105 "2013-07-02T21:21:06Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The Spurs will keep Tiago Splitter on a four-year, $36 million deal. Wow, $9 million a year for a backup center? I know he’s valuable to the Spurs, but they’re overpaying him by at least $2 million a year. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723/106 "2013-07-02T21:28:28Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > Wow, $9 million a year for a backup center? I know he’s valuable to the Spurs, but they’re overpaying him by at least $2 million a year. He started 58 games for them this year, and 15 of their 19 playoff games. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723/107 "2013-07-02T22:07:36Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](#): > > I wonder if Dwight Howard will become the new LeBron, vis a vis the public’s outright disdain and even hatred. I am not a fan, and don’t see him as worth the drama. > Nice pick up by the Bulls with Dunleavy, big upgrade in their second unit scoring. > Andray Blatche signed with the Nyets for dirt cheap, mostly to [to stick it to The Wizards](http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/7/1/4485222/andray-blatche-nets-contract-washington-wizards). That’s one cold dish of revenge. Dwight’s already sunk his image pretty far the past two years with his indecision and immaturity, as long as he keeps his mouth shut I doubt most people will feel too badly about the Lakers getting shafted for once. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723/108 "2013-07-02T22:17:06Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The Clippers could trade Bledsoe to almost any team in the league but nothing has happened yet. And here we go: Bledsoe and Caron Butler are going to Phoenix, the Clippers get Jared Dudley and J.J. Redick (who gets a four-year contract worth $27 million), and Milwaukee gets two second-round picks. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723/109 "2013-07-02T22:22:16Z")
That’s a good deal for everyone involved except the Bucks, who get shafted again. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723/110 "2013-07-02T23:09:00Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > That’s a good deal for everyone involved except the Bucks, who get shafted again. It’s too bad for the Bucks, but if they were losing Redick, at least they got something for it. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723/111 "2013-07-02T23:40:21Z")
That is true but if Bledsoe could’ve been had for Reddick and Dudley you’d think they would’ve been the ones to end up with him. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723/112 "2013-07-03T00:58:20Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > That is true but if Bledsoe could’ve been had for Reddick and Dudley you’d think they would’ve been the ones to end up with him. Dudley was on the Suns. The Bucks gave up Redick, who was leaving anyway, and got the two picks, the Suns got Bledsoe and Butler and gave up Dudley and a draft pick, and the Clippers gave up Butler and Bledsoe and a draft pick and got Dudley and Redick. The Bucks did want Bledsoe for themselves but they didn’t have much to offer. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723/113 "2013-07-03T01:34:44Z")
Reddick was leaving anyways but without the Bucks bird rights he would not have ended up in LA. My point is that other than the Dudley throw in the Sun’s share of this deal seems completely unnecessary and they come out with arguably the best asset. I can’t imagine that Dudley was an integral part of the deal and that the Bucks simply didn’t have a suitable alternative they could’ve thrown in and cut the Suns entirely out of the deal. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723/114 "2013-07-03T01:38:10Z")
Must suck to be a Bucks fan, finally claw back into the playoffs, get swept, and the team’s falling apart. They’ll probably keep Jennings (big whoop, he’s wildly inefficient) but have lost Redick and will probably lose Ellis. That was a nice trade for the Clippers, they addressed their weakest position nicely and only lost a backup. Now, they need to re-sign Matt Barnes. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723/115 "2013-07-03T01:41:10Z")
Just in case the Harden trade wasn’t awful enough, [Kevin Martin is off to the T-Wolves.](http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/twolves/2013/07/02/minnesota-timberwolves-kevin-martin/2484819/) Four years, $30 million. Not too steep, considering how shallow the 2-guard position is league-wide. But hey, thanks for the rental, Houston! Enjoy a top-3 shooting guard who’s 23 and under contract for 4 years. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723/116 "2013-07-03T01:44:47Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Reddick was leaving anyways but without the Bucks bird rights he would not have ended up in LA. My point is that other than the Dudley throw in the Sun’s share of this deal seems completely unnecessary and they come out with arguably the best asset. I can’t imagine that Dudley was an integral part of the deal and that the Bucks simply didn’t have a suitable alternative they could’ve thrown in and cut the Suns entirely out of the deal. Agreed, the Suns made out like bandits: they gave up a 2014 second-rounder (not even theirs, Toronto’s) and a decent 27-year old swingman for an elite point guard prospect and an $8 million expiring contract that can still ball a little bit. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723/117 "2013-07-03T01:54:53Z")
I am sure they tried to get Bledsoe for themselves, but no, they didn’t have the pieces the Clippers wanted. > [@DigitalC](#): > > My point is that other than the Dudley throw in the Sun’s share of this deal seems completely unnecessary and they come out with arguably the best asset. The Suns did get the best individual piece, but they also took Butler’s salary off the Clippers’ hands and gave up a usable bench player and a high second round draft pick. The Suns are going to be bad, so that pick should be pretty decent. The Bucks will probably be better than the Suns, I don’t see another shooter they could have thrown in, and I don’t think they would have been willing to absorb that salary. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723/118 "2013-07-03T05:55:25Z")
The Wolves are going to get Kevin Martin (4 years, around $30 million) and keep Budinger (3 years, $16 million). Tony Allen will stay in Memphis (4 years, $20 million). The Kings offered Andre Iguodala a 4-year deal for $56 million but then withdrew it, I guess because he was reluctant to sign with them even though they were offering an unexpectedly large contract. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723/119 "2013-07-03T12:34:49Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The Wolves are going to get Kevin Martin (4 years, around $30 million) and keep Budinger (3 years, $16 million). Tony Allen will stay in Memphis (4 years, $20 million). So, assuming they keep Pekovic, the Wolves will be starting Rubio-Martin-Budinger-Love-Pek, with Ridnour, Barea, and Shved, and Derrick Williams coming off the bench. That’s none too shabby, and they can still make a decent offer to Kirilenko. They’d be a playoff team in the East, but the West is awfully tough. > [@Marley23](#): > > The Kings offered Andre Iguodala a 4-year deal for $56 million but then withdrew it, I guess because he was reluctant to sign with them even though they were offering an unexpectedly large contract. The Nuggets have his Bird rights, so they can offer a 5-year deal and more per year. Maybe there’s already a handshake agreement in place there. The Kings are going to have to massively overpay to get a top or even mid-tier free agent, sadly for them. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723/120 "2013-07-03T13:53:00Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > So, assuming they keep Pekovic, the Wolves will be starting Rubio-Martin-Budinger-Love-Pek, with Ridnour, Barea, and Shved, and Derrick Williams coming off the bench. That’s none too shabby, and they can still make a decent offer to Kirilenko. They’d be a playoff team in the East, but the West is awfully tough. And they may trade Williams if they can find a taker. It’d be a really solid team if they can stay healthy for once. And then of course there’s the question of Love’s contract, not that I think he won’t play hard. > [@](#): > > The Nuggets have his Bird rights, so they can offer a 5-year deal and more per year. Maybe there’s already a handshake agreement in place there. The reports I saw said the Nuggets don’t want to pay him as much as the Kings would. They can make him a very nice offer, and maybe he was reluctant to commit to a really bad team at this stage in his career. > [@](#): > > The Kings are going to have to massively overpay to get a top or even mid-tier free agent, sadly for them. Which they really shouldn’t do right now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nba-off-season/661723.md?page=7)