# NC Federal House Districts unconstitutionally gerrymandered **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 10, 2018, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-federal-house-districts-unconstitutionally-gerrymandered/806306 "2018-01-10T12:00:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2018, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-federal-house-districts-unconstitutionally-gerrymandered/806306/241 "2018-09-02T00:17:48Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Could I trouble you, as a personal favor, to clarify your meaning as to the phrase, _“in this venue”_? > > Ta. “In this venue” = \*.straightdope.com ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-federal-house-districts-unconstitutionally-gerrymandered/806306/242 "2018-09-02T18:00:34Z")
Did you realize that the SDMB was hopelessly lefty when you joined? Almost twenty years ago, now. So, when did you catch on? Was it an “outreach” effort, change minds, make converts? How’s that been going for you? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2018, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-federal-house-districts-unconstitutionally-gerrymandered/806306/243 "2018-09-03T02:17:29Z")
Two pints: 1. Making this thread about Bricker is off topic and counter-productive. Just argue the points of the discussion and leave the personal remarks for a different forum. 2. No one has any obligation to provide personal feelings or opinions simply because another poster requests or demands them. Repeatedly seeking those views when a poster has already declined to provide them will be deemed harassment (as such actions have been regarded in the past) and are subject to Warnings. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![OldGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3bc359/32.png) [@OldGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2018, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-federal-house-districts-unconstitutionally-gerrymandered/806306/244 "2018-09-03T04:53:14Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Two pints Can I have two pints, too? What? Oh never mind. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2018, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-federal-house-districts-unconstitutionally-gerrymandered/806306/245 "2018-09-03T21:25:30Z")
You can have all the pints that you can afford. Make mine imperial stout. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2018, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-federal-house-districts-unconstitutionally-gerrymandered/806306/246 "2018-09-03T21:29:46Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Or is this this just another instance of _I love democracy, except when the stupid voters don’t do what they’re told by their betters?_ Why don’t you tell us? After all, that attitude is wholly owned by the GOP. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-federal-house-districts-unconstitutionally-gerrymandered/806306/247 "2018-09-05T18:37:28Z")
As it turns out, the districts will _ **not** _ be re-drawn in any fashion for the 2018 elections. The three-judge panel decided there wasn’t time to do it without creating chaos. > **[U.S. court says no time to redraw North Carolina maps before election](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-north-carolina-districts-court/u-s-court-says-no-time-to-redraw-north-carolina-maps-before-election-idUSKCN1LL2B4)** > > A U.S. court panel has ruled there is not enough time to recast North Carolina's congressional maps ahead of the November elections even though it found the Republican-constructed lines were illegally drawn for partisan purposes. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-federal-house-districts-unconstitutionally-gerrymandered/806306/248 "2018-09-05T19:04:29Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > As it turns out, the districts will _ **not** _ be re-drawn in any fashion for the 2018 elections. The three-judge panel decided there wasn’t time to do it without creating chaos. > > [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-north-carolina-districts-court/u-s-court-says-no-time-to-redraw-north-carolina-maps-before-election-idUSKCN1LL2B4](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-north-carolina-districts-court/u-s-court-says-no-time-to-redraw-north-carolina-maps-before-election-idUSKCN1LL2B4) And by 2020, the issue will be settled by the Supreme Court, either by denying cert and letting the redraw mandate stand, or by granting cert and reversing. Good. I accept either outcome with aplomb. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-federal-house-districts-unconstitutionally-gerrymandered/806306/249 "2018-09-05T19:51:44Z")
Well, gosh, what about the sacred value of voter confidence? Used to be your lodestone and guiding light, as I recall. Ya think maybe it is good for voter confidence when the legislature conspires against the other party? Or is there a valid neutral justification for cheating? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-federal-house-districts-unconstitutionally-gerrymandered/806306/250 "2018-09-05T20:21:07Z")
ICE is requesting millions of documents from North Carolina voting records, looking for all those illegal alien voters. > **[ICE demands ‘exhaustive’ voting records from North Carolina](https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article217846725.html)** > > Immigration authorities want North Carolina elections officials to turn over nearly a decade’s worth of voting records by the end of the month. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-federal-house-districts-unconstitutionally-gerrymandered/806306/251 "2018-11-07T21:33:51Z")
Bump. [Wanna know why this is a big deal?](https://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2018/11/07/gerrymandering-the-wall-that-prevented-a-true-democratic-victory/) > [@](#): > > In the 12 contested races [for US House of Representatives], the vote total thus far shows Republicans winning 1,642,344 votes or about 48.5% while Democrats won 1,747,742 or around 51.5%. Yet, despite this impressive performance, Democrats only won three of the 12 seats. This is a problem. A big goddamned problem. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-federal-house-districts-unconstitutionally-gerrymandered/806306/252 "2018-11-07T21:35:15Z")
but in good news, the GOP can no longer override a Cooper veto without getting some Dem support. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-federal-house-districts-unconstitutionally-gerrymandered/806306/253 "2018-11-07T22:19:32Z")
What I’m not clear on: are we doomed to live under this insanely unfair plan for another two years, or is there a possibility of a special election in 2019 under new district lines? Given the egregious outcome here, in which the majority of voters will receive 25% of the representation in these districts, I think the earliest possible remedy should be imposed. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-federal-house-districts-unconstitutionally-gerrymandered/806306/254 "2018-11-07T22:20:52Z")
I think a vote in 2019 is not likely but it’s up to the judges. Also the other good news is the 2 worst ammendments went down in flames by wide margins. ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-federal-house-districts-unconstitutionally-gerrymandered/806306/255 "2018-11-07T23:41:34Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > I think a vote in 2019 is not likely but it’s up to the judges. Also the other good news is the 2 worst ammendments went down in flames by wide margins. Yes, this! And hopefully the districts will be redrawn sooner rather than later - but that’s better than not at all. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-federal-house-districts-unconstitutionally-gerrymandered/806306/256 "2018-11-07T23:55:29Z")
the 2 NC amendments that failed were the only 2 that really had people campaigning for no votes. I am not surprised the other 4 passed easily because with these kinds of things most people vote yes unless they have a good reason to vote no. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-federal-house-districts-unconstitutionally-gerrymandered/806306/257 "2018-11-08T02:25:44Z")
I doubt seriously there will be a special election. The best that can be hoped for is that the District Court’s decision is not overturned and that new districts are in place in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2018, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-federal-house-districts-unconstitutionally-gerrymandered/806306/258 "2018-11-08T02:35:30Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > I doubt seriously there will be a special election. The best that can be hoped for is that the District Court’s decision is not overturned and that new districts are in place in 2020. I certainly wouldn’t bet money on it–but these outrageous results are the result of deliberate Republican foot-dragging on fixing their unconstitutional maps. They shouldn’t be rewarded for their illegal actions, and the rest of us shouldn’t be punished for them. The NAACP has made the case before that a government elected according to unconstitutional maps is unconstitutional, and that it needs to be remedied ASAP; I think it likely they’ll continue to push this case. And you lose all the shots you don’t take. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-federal-house-districts-unconstitutionally-gerrymandered/806306.md?page=12)