# NC Preacher advocates beating the gay out of kids **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 2, 2012, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-preacher-advocates-beating-the-gay-out-of-kids/620663 "2012-05-02T17:34:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-preacher-advocates-beating-the-gay-out-of-kids/620663/21 "2012-05-02T23:11:09Z")
> [@C3](#): > > Awww, poor Sean. Now he says that [he’s been “misquoted”](http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2012/05/nc-pastor-who-advocated-violence-against-gay-kids-i-was-misquoted/). These guys always forget that they’ve been caught on tape. Yeah, ok, among all the stupid is that he is apparently completely unaware of the difference between effeminate behavior and homosexual behavior. On the bright side… no, I can’t finish that sentence. Roddy ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-preacher-advocates-beating-the-gay-out-of-kids/620663/22 "2012-05-02T23:17:54Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Hey, look at the bright side. The fact that the vote is going to be close IN NORTH CAROLINA means we’ve come a long way. How would that vote have gone 10 years ago? As an NC resident, this is actually how I feel. I’m fully expecting this idiotic amendment to pass, and it’s totally shameful that it will–but that’s what I’ve expected all along. What turns out to be a surprise for me isn’t how many assholes are voting for it, but rather how many principled Christians and conservatives are coming out against it. I know I live in a pretty homophobic area of the world. The drop in homophobia is what surprises me, and it gives me hope. Ten years ago this amendment would barely have been controversial; I suspect that in ten years, it’ll be unconstitutional. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-preacher-advocates-beating-the-gay-out-of-kids/620663/23 "2012-05-02T23:24:45Z")
I can almost see the guy’s temple veins bulging during this rant. “RAAAWWWRRGGHH!!! ARRRAARRAARAAAGHHH!!! GETTUM!!!” Give me a break. You sound pathetic, preacher guy. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-preacher-advocates-beating-the-gay-out-of-kids/620663/24 "2012-05-02T23:35:48Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > Good point. I retract my judgment of the Senator’s wife. I’m surprised he lets her actually speak in public though, I mean, shouldn’t she be at home cooking? > > Also, OP, if you really want to judge humanity, feel free to read this:[On March 12, 2012, the hashtag #ToMyUnbornChild became a trending topic. People used this hashtag to “tweet to” their future child. Here are 100 real tweets from real people — all within 24 hours — saying they would murder their child if he or she was gay.](http://storify.com/homophobes/100-homophobes-who-would-kill-their-gay-child) Literally one of the most disgusting things I’ve seen in a hot minute. The pro-life movement is a beautiful thing, isn’t it? :eek: And [more of what that allegedly Christian pastor said](http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/05/01/earning-their-millstone-necklaces/): > [@](#): > > Harris told parents, if their four-year old boy, for example, “starts acting a little ‘girlish’.” Pastor Harris added that parents should tell their four-year olds to “man up, son, get that dress off you get outside and dig a ditch because that’s what boys do.” > > … “Can I make it any clearer? Dads, the second you see that son dropping the limp wrist, you walk over there and crack that wrist. Man up. Give them a good punch. OK? You’re not going to act like that — you were made by God to be a male and you’re going to be a male,” Pastor Harris tells his parishioners. … As it happens, I have a four year old son who loves putting on dresses and pretending to be a girl. Maybe it’s just a passing phase (though he’s been doing this for a couple of years now), or maybe it isn’t. Either way, he’s my son, he is what he is, and I love him with all of my heart. The only person I’m gonna smack over this would be this pastor, if he ever has the bad fortune to meet up with me. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-preacher-advocates-beating-the-gay-out-of-kids/620663/25 "2012-05-02T23:41:26Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > The only person I’m gonna smack over this would be this pastor, if he ever has the bad fortune to meet up with me. But it’s a\* misunderstanding\*! You’re _misunderstanding_ the pastor’s words! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-preacher-advocates-beating-the-gay-out-of-kids/620663/26 "2012-05-02T23:42:22Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > As it happens, I have a four year old son who loves putting on dresses and pretending to be a girl. Maybe it’s just a passing phase (though he’s been doing this for a couple of years now), or maybe it isn’t. Either way, he’s my son, he is what he is, and I love him with all of my heart. That’s what I’m talking about. On the one hand, this is one of those stupid-obvious things that parents ought all to say; on the other hand, not all parents say it, which is really depressing. If your kid is regularly punching other kids at daycare, then yeah, okay, you need to do something about it. But if your kid is acting in non-gender-stereotypical ways? Who gives a bloody shit? ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2012, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-preacher-advocates-beating-the-gay-out-of-kids/620663/27 "2012-05-02T23:51:15Z")
Lovely state, isn’t it? :rolleyes: I still remember sitting in a restaurant when one of my coworkers went off on a rather nasty anti-gay rant for no reason whatsoever…it was of the “round 'em up and kill 'em” variety. Another coworker has a son who got angry when his girlfriend interviewed for a teaching position at Peace College…apparently it’s a hotbed of lesbian orgy activity. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-preacher-advocates-beating-the-gay-out-of-kids/620663/28 "2012-05-03T00:15:52Z")
> [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > Lovely state, isn’t it? :rolleyes: Actually, no shit, it is. This kind of thing pisses me off, and no doubt we’ve got some real assholes around here, but we’re also a state chockablock with awesome people. Keep in mind that we may have been segregated, but we’re also the state that had the Greensboro sit-in heroes. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-preacher-advocates-beating-the-gay-out-of-kids/620663/29 "2012-05-03T00:23:40Z")
I visit family a fair amount in North Carolina, and I can safely say I would much, much rather live there than Arizona. At least I’d be away from the damn border. ---
**Author:** ![Bleach23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Bleach23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bleach23)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-preacher-advocates-beating-the-gay-out-of-kids/620663/30 "2012-05-03T00:26:52Z")
So I must have been living under a rock for the past few months. Thanks for brining this to my attention. I have looked up my voter location and will be early voting tomorrow. NC is a great state and I think Rev. Corporal Punishment is the one who really makes the baby Jesus cry. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dc4da7/32.png) [@The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Man_With_The_Golden_Gun)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-preacher-advocates-beating-the-gay-out-of-kids/620663/31 "2012-05-03T00:34:18Z")
Yeah, I’ve spent half my life in both North Carolina and Ohio and I’d be far less shocked had this idiot masquerading as a preacher been a native of the latter instead of former. ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-preacher-advocates-beating-the-gay-out-of-kids/620663/32 "2012-05-03T01:06:45Z")
Here is the, well, less dark side: my friend attends the Apex Baptist Church, which is pretty damned conservative. And while it is generally supposed by the congregation that all members will be voting for the amendment, my friend and several people she knows there are voting against. And she’s actively counteracting the misinformation the church leaders are spreading about this. Moreover, despite the fact that a clear majority of the congregation is willing to deprive homosexuals of marriage rights, the general reaction to this asshole and his exhortation to child abuse has been horror. I too think it’s pretty amazing that the vote is close. When the amendment was first drafted it was kind of assumed it would pass, and now there is a real fight. We’re lucky in a way that it’s worded in such a godawful way. Not “marriage shall be defined as one man and one woman” or even “no two people of the same gender shall have any recognized domestic partnership,” but “marriage between one man and one woman is the \*\*only \*\*domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State.” (emphasis added.) So there’s a legitimate argument/concern that many other laws that grant rights to unmarried couples and their children (regardless of whether they’re man/woman or gay) would be superseded by this amendment. The campaign against it has been really smart and targeted a broad base - even if you’re against gay marriage, you’re probably not for domestic violence or kids being uninsured. Oh, and this preacher is SO gay. I believe it was our own **Senor Beef** who made the brilliant observation that many closeted anti-gay crusaders probably think that because they have strong homosexual urges, \*everyone \*must have these urges, and the only way to keep everybody from indulging in wild same-sex orgies is to be absolutely stringent in suppressing any acceptance of such behavior. After all, they believe that homosexuality isn’t a legitimate orientation or basic personality trait, but a sinful temptation. That made so much sense to me, and whenever I see someone so desperate to demonize teh gay, I really do wonder about their deeper motivations. ---
**Author:** ![YWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/6f9a4e/32.png) [@YWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-preacher-advocates-beating-the-gay-out-of-kids/620663/33 "2012-05-03T02:04:45Z")
> [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#): > > We’re lucky in a way that it’s worded in such a godawful way. That’s my secret hope ---- that the really horrible wording on this will backfire on them. There have been several news stories that a lot of people don’t understand how the amendment works. If there’s enough of the ignorant homophobes who walk in the door and say “I’m voting against this, because I don’t think them gays should be allowed to marry”, it could boomerang into our favor (defeating the amendment.) It should be pointed out that the deck was stacked from the very beginning by scheduling the vote during the May primaries instead of a November general election. Since the Democrats don’t have a presidential primary to vote in, this was a setup to have the vote when it was assumed that the Democrats would stay home while the Republicans would be out to vote in the primary. As things are turning out, though, the fact that Republican primary is already decided and the thought of coming out and casting a vote for “Yeah, give it to that Romney guy that I don’t really like” isn’t too appealing may end up backfiring on them. The Democratic primaries for the state races may be more interesting than the Republican presidential primary. I so want my state to do the right thing, and thumb our noses at the jerks who wrote this unnecessary, hateful legislation. ---
**Author:** ![Invisible\_Chimp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f05b48/32.png) [@Invisible\_Chimp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Invisible_Chimp)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-preacher-advocates-beating-the-gay-out-of-kids/620663/34 "2012-05-03T02:30:21Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > I visit family a fair amount in North Carolina, and I can safely say I would much, much rather live there than Arizona. At least I’d be away from the damn border. Why do you hate living near the border? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-preacher-advocates-beating-the-gay-out-of-kids/620663/35 "2012-05-03T03:43:06Z")
I suspect living near the border would tend to put one into more frequent contact with xenophobic assholes, but I won’t answer for **Bosstone**. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-preacher-advocates-beating-the-gay-out-of-kids/620663/36 "2012-05-03T05:24:55Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I suspect living near the border would tend to put one into more frequent contact with xenophobic assholes, but I won’t answer for **Bosstone**. Ayup. It’s Arpaio’s immigration battleground. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-preacher-advocates-beating-the-gay-out-of-kids/620663/37 "2012-05-03T05:40:34Z")
So if there was a test for foetal sexual orientation, if an anti-abortion, anti-gay fundie found out their unborn baby was going to be gay would they hit themselves in the stomach with a baseball bat? Not to induce an abortion, you understand, just to crack the foetus’ wrist? ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-preacher-advocates-beating-the-gay-out-of-kids/620663/38 "2012-05-03T07:02:48Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > I wish I could say I’m surprised, but I also just read this article about the wife of the bill’s author saying[he wrote it to save the white race.](http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/anti-gay-marriage-bill-created-to-protect-caucasian-race-says-senators-wife/politics/2012/05/02/38903) I…wait…er…huh…what?!? Someone needs to educate that poor man, he has some strange ideas if fighting gay marriage preserves the white race. 😕:eek: ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-preacher-advocates-beating-the-gay-out-of-kids/620663/39 "2012-05-03T07:15:43Z")
Hmmm well in answer to my own question in the comments of one article the claim is made that > [@](#): > > And I have read several articles that attest to the fact that NC politicians will use this bill as precedent to introduce additional bills that will further define marriage as a union between a heterosexual couple of the SAME RACE. Seeing as how the comment is borderline nonsensical otherwise I’d say this has a good chance of being true, being introduced at least. Or maybe her husband believes gay men give birth to negroes? ---
**Author:** ![JimNightshade](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jimnightshade/32/3354_2.png) [@JimNightshade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JimNightshade)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2012, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nc-preacher-advocates-beating-the-gay-out-of-kids/620663/40 "2012-05-03T08:45:31Z")
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