# NCIS--Ellie Bishop **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 20, 2013, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349 "2013-11-20T15:46:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349/21 "2013-11-21T20:53:51Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I like Diane Neal too, but her character is too competent to be a minion. > [@Tapiotar](#): > > Agreed. She’s an equal, not a subordinate. But that’s why she would be good. It adds to the tension. > [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > I don’t watch NCIS anymore, but I did some looking into this Emily Wickersham person. She played a twentysomething on The Sopranos seven years ago, so she’s hardly a teenager. She also “doesn’t talk about her age” which is Hollywoodspeak for “over 30.” I meant the _character_ is a teeny-bopper. Also I don’t think she is married. She’s wearing the ring for some other reason. Or she was married and is a widow…or something. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349/22 "2013-11-21T21:24:07Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I meant the _character_ is a teeny-bopper. The character is 18 years old? Really? ---
**Author:** ![Encinitas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@Encinitas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Encinitas)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349/23 "2013-11-21T21:43:23Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Also I don’t think she is married. She’s wearing the ring for some other reason. Or she was married and is a widow…or something. Or perhaps has a same sex spouse. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349/24 "2013-11-21T22:23:02Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > The character is 18 years old? Really? Not her age-- her personality. An eccentric, full-of-herself, college student _type_. Torn jeans, stringy hair, a _gee-whiz_ way of expressing herself…not a professional woman. That’s a teeny-bopper at any age. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349/25 "2013-11-21T23:21:50Z")
> [@Tapiotar](#): > > I assume you are joking? The cold-blooded assassin makes it more unrealistic and less believable. In what way? That’s what Mossad is most famous for, and rightly so. Besides, I dig hot chicks with guns! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349/26 "2013-11-21T23:25:56Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Not her age-- her personality. An eccentric, full-of-herself, college student _type_. Torn jeans, stringy hair, a _gee-whiz_ way of expressing herself…not a professional woman. That’s a teeny-bopper at any age. Are such people even tolerated in top-secret government agencies? The government employees in positions of responsibility that I’ve met were all uptight and humorless in the extreme. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349/27 "2013-11-21T23:57:53Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > Are such people even tolerated in top-secret government agencies? The government employees in positions of responsibility that I’ve met were all uptight and humorless in the extreme. Hel-LO! Of course, she wouldn’t be tolerated. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349/28 "2013-11-22T00:19:42Z")
> [@Horatio\_Hellpop](#): > > They introduced Ziva’s replacement last night and I’m not real impressed. They kinda painted themselves into a corner when they had Leon tell Gibbs “Future agents are going to look a lot more like McGee and a lot less like Tony” a while back, so I guess a credibly kick-ass action heroine just wasn’t in the cards. > > Ellie Bishop, a quirky, nerdy, kinda hot looking NSA agent, made her debut. Other than visually, there’s not a huge enough contrast between her and Abby. She (while unarmed) took down an armed bad guy, for no better reason than that the script says she did. She’s an extreme Mary Sue and her unseen husband might as well be wearing a red shirt for how dead he will soon inevitably be. > > Thoughts? I think when she knocked him over, pretty much out of sheer panic, he dropped his gun, which she then, off camera, recovered in the process of subduing him. So really, she was subduing an unarmed assailant - something she readily explained by having 3 older brothers. This is definitely going to create an interesting dynamic but one that possibly has just the right amount of mild tension appropriate for a show that caters to the demographic I think NCIS skews towards. (I don’t mean to call you all old farts really, I mean I watch the show too after all. 🙂 :)) I’m not really sure how this will work though. The mcgee-abby connection was pretty well established and seemed to be working pretty well for the show. However EB does bring a whole new analytical skill set, so it’s hard to predict exactly what they have planned. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349/29 "2013-11-22T00:40:08Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Hel-LO! Of course, she wouldn’t be tolerated. :rolleyes: **[Voice of Graham Chapman]:** I meant that rhetorically! :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349/30 "2013-11-22T00:54:47Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > **[Voice of Graham Chapman]:** I meant that rhetorically! :dubious: Sometimes when I’m lonely, like possibly now, I reply to rhetorical comments. Is that really so wrong? ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349/31 "2013-11-22T01:00:42Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Sometimes when I’m lonely, like possibly now, I reply to rhetorical comments. Is that really so wrong? It beats talking to yourself. It’s one of the main reasons I have an internet subscription. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349/32 "2013-11-22T01:32:23Z")
> [@deltasigma](#): > > It beats talking to yourself. It’s one of the main reasons I have an internet subscription. 😉 You mean all of you are real…not figments of my imagination? Any comments on the female SECNAV who has never served? At least Jenny had field experience (in more ways than one). ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349/33 "2013-11-22T01:38:10Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > You mean all of you are real…not figments of my imagination? It’s hard to say to be honest. Some of the voices say that just to screw with you. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349/34 "2013-11-22T02:05:49Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Any comments on the female SECNAV who has never served? At least Jenny had field experience (in more ways than one). Wasn’t the previous SECNAV a civilian, too? As an old guy, I like having another steamy middle-aged redhead babe in the cast. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349/35 "2013-11-22T02:21:09Z")
> [@Horatio\_Hellpop](#): > > Wasn’t the previous SECNAV a civilian, too? As an old guy, I like having another steamy middle-aged redhead babe in the cast. I like this one better than Jenny. I hated the way Jenny kept referencing the Old Days with Gibbs when he clearly was not interested. Ick. You shouldn’t do that when your ex stonewalls you. I keep meaning to say that I love your screen name. Are you a Hornblower fan, too, by any chance? ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349/36 "2013-11-22T03:09:21Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I like this one better than Jenny. I hated the way Jenny kept referencing the Old Days with Gibbs when he clearly was not interested. Ick. You shouldn’t do that when your ex stonewalls you. Jenny was just the NCIS director, not SECNAV, but I think this new gal is supposed to remind us of her a bit. > [@](#): > > I keep meaning to say that I love your screen name. Are you a Hornblower fan, too, by any chance? I liked the TV movies with Ioan Gryffud, but Horatio Hellpop is a comic book reference, for an unusually compelling superhero called Nexus. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349/37 "2013-11-22T03:16:22Z")
> [@Horatio\_Hellpop](#): > > Jenny was just the NCIS director, not SECNAV, but I think this new gal is supposed to remind us of her a bit. I knew that. :smack: > [@](#): > > I liked the TV movies with Ioan Gryffud, but Horatio Hellpop is a comic book reference, for an unusually compelling superhero called Nexus. Yeah, the Hornblower series was fantastic. Very true to the books. The theme music was sublime. I’m not familiar with any comic books. ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349/38 "2013-11-22T03:26:55Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I like this one better than Jenny. I hated the way Jenny kept referencing the Old Days with Gibbs when he clearly was not interested. Ick. You shouldn’t do that when your ex stonewalls you. > > I keep meaning to say that I love your screen name. Are you a Hornblower fan, too, by any chance? Given Gibbs’ history with redheads, which somehow I’d forgotten about, I have to wonder if the writers don’t have another love angle planned for this season like the Jamie Lee Lewis angle of yore. It took a really long time for them to get that properly tuned and when they finally did they just dropped it like a hot steaming pile. I’ve seen a couple movies in the Hornblower series and rather liked them but I didn’t watch them in series and have always meant to. I think I finally managed to track down the first dozen or so. Maybe someday . . . ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349/39 "2013-11-22T03:46:46Z")
> [@deltasigma](#): > > I’ve seen a couple movies in the Hornblower series and rather liked them but I didn’t watch them in series and have always meant to. I think I finally managed to track down the first dozen or so. Maybe someday . . . There were only four movies in this particular series. Scroll down to 1998-1999. [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0344435/?ref\_=tt\_cl\_t1](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0344435/?ref_=tt_cl_t1) ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349/40 "2013-11-22T04:01:26Z")
That seems to be an actor link so I couldn’t tell what you wanted me to look at. [Here is the 8 part series I have](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hornblower_%28TV_series%29#Episodes). I thought there were more parts but I was wrong. I’m pretty sure though that there are more shows based on this story but I’d have to look. If you scroll to the bottom, there are several external links to Hornblower movies I think. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ncis-ellie-bishop/674349.md?page=3)