# Neanderthal wife beaters deserve... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 13, 2009, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261 "2009-05-13T06:21:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261/81 "2009-05-14T15:07:12Z")
Be careful **Jimmy Joe Meager**. You clearly don’t understand who you’re messing with. ---
**Author:** ![muttrox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a8b319/32.png) [@muttrox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muttrox)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261/82 "2009-05-14T15:10:51Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](#): > > 1. Cite? Back up your words, twinkleshit. Especially the “almost always” part. > > 2. I agree that women abusing men happens less frequently… If you agree it happens less frequently, why do you need a cite? ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261/83 "2009-05-14T15:49:25Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Definitely. Same-sex DV can actually be some of the worst, and the hardest for vicxtims to find support for. Question is - are they sympathetic victims, or just pussies who deserve it? Inquiring minds want to know! ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261/84 "2009-05-14T15:58:14Z")
> [@muttrox](#): > > If you agree it happens less frequently, why do you need a cite? You’re right! Obviously if it happens slightly less it means that the victims are pussies who deserve it! ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261/85 "2009-05-14T16:00:50Z")
Could be either. Depends on what kind of physical, economic and social disparities exist. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261/86 "2009-05-14T16:01:45Z")
> [@muttrox](#): > > If you agree it happens less frequently, why do you need a cite? I think he’s saying that he agrees it happens less frequently but the part about **Dio** saying it doesn’t happen anywhere near as close is the part he has trouble with. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261/87 "2009-05-14T16:08:54Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > You’re right! Obviously if it happens slightly less it means that the victims are pussies who deserve it! What makes the difference is that male “victims” of abuse from women are not encumbered by the same physical, social and economic disparities that female victims of male abusers have to deal with. Men are seldom, if ever, as powerless with female abusers as women are with male ones. Men are statistically far less likely to be killed by female abusers, and it’s much easier to get out of those relationships. Trying to equate the situations is bullshit in the same way that white people whining about “reverse racism” is bullshit. Everything isn’t always equal. People don’t have to try so hard to find perfect moral symmetry to everything. Sometimes double standards are justified. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261/88 "2009-05-14T16:13:03Z")
> [@muttrox](#): > > If you agree it happens less frequently, why do you need a cite? I asked for a cite to support the claim of “almost always”. “Less frequently” and “almost always” are two very different things. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261/89 "2009-05-14T16:17:37Z")
Why can’t you just agree that wife beaters are scum? Why are you so concerned about qualifying and diluting it? ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261/90 "2009-05-14T16:21:54Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > What makes the difference is that male “victims” of abuse from women are not encumbered by the same physical, social and economic disparities that female victims of male abusers have to deal with. Men are seldom, if ever, as powerless with female abusers as women are with male ones. Men are statistically far less likely to be killed by female abusers, and it’s much easier to get out of those relationships. > > Trying to equate the situations is bullshit in the same way that white people whining about “reverse racism” is bullshit. Everything isn’t always equal. People don’t have to try so hard to find perfect moral symmetry to everything. Sometimes double standards are justified. The reason people are mocking you over this is not that anyone disagrees that, on average, men are more powerful etc., but because an average situation tells one nothing about any person’s particular, specific situation. Painting with an overly broad brush and making disparaging remarks about male victims of domestic abuse doesn’t make you some sort of internet tough guy or gender hero, it just makes you look like a fool. No-one is attempting to paint the sort of perfect moral symmetry you are invoking as your justification, or is denying that the majority of domestic abuse is caused by men attacking women. Is that some sort of pre-emptive straw-man? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261/91 "2009-05-14T16:24:13Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Be careful **Jimmy Joe Meager**. You clearly don’t understand who you’re messing with. I \*think \*I do, but I could be wrong. I think **DtC** is someone who: 1. thinks post count directly and positively correlates to intelligence; 2. is pathologically incapable of considering any opinion other than their own; 3. is amusingly arrogant; 4. thinks slinging insults is the epitome of wit; 5. thinks having a high post count is the same has having something worthwhile to say; and 6. is an idiot. Just my take on things. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261/92 "2009-05-14T16:33:50Z")
I don’t give a shit about my post count and never have. I virtually never even think about it or notice it. I’ve been on the board for a long time and I’m a motormouth, so it’s added up. If anything, I think the number is embarrassing and indicative of a message board addiction. ETA, points 2 and 3 are probably true. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261/93 "2009-05-14T16:39:53Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Why can’t you just agree that wife beaters are scum? Why are you so concerned about qualifying and diluting it? It’s like being in the presence of Batman, I tell you. Or Chuck Norris. Or Chuck Norris in a Batman costume. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261/94 "2009-05-14T16:43:30Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > It’s like being in the presence of Batman, I tell you. Or Chuck Norris. Or Chuck Norris in a Batman costume. Where the fuck does this shit come from? This isn’t the first thread where you’ve done this “tough guy” thing with me. What the hell is any of this in reference to? When have I ever said I’m a tough guy? Is it because of that thread where I said I’d intervene if I saw a guy verbally abusing a woman in public? That makes me a wannabe tough guy? Ok, then I’m a tough guy. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261/95 "2009-05-14T16:47:35Z")
I’ll tell you if you promise not to hurt me. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261/96 "2009-05-14T16:52:58Z")
I promise that if I ever see Dio hurting Scumpup, I’ll intervene. I don’t promise I’ll intervene _quickly_, mind you. I’ll need to laugh for a few minutes first at the flailing disorganized kitten-fight spectacle. ---
**Author:** ![muttrox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a8b319/32.png) [@muttrox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muttrox)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261/97 "2009-05-14T17:10:44Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](#): > > I asked for a cite to support the claim of “almost always”. “Less frequently” and “almost always” are two very different things. Fair enough. So how much less frequently do you think it happens? How far apart are you from DtC on this anyhow? ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261/98 "2009-05-14T17:24:05Z")
The AIDV states that 85-95% of domestic violence victims are female. Up to 15% are male, then, not an insignificant number. I’d like to know how they came to that number, though. I’ve seen some statistics that seem wildly off. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261/99 "2009-05-14T17:30:37Z")
> [@muttrox](#): > > How far apart are you from DtC on this anyhow? I’m on Earth, he’s somewhere near Uranus. \ > [@muttrox](#): > > Fair enough. So how much less frequently do you think it happens? I’ll tell you what… you get **DtC** to quantify what he meant by “almost always” and then I can tell you how much less frequently than that I think men are the perpetrators of domestic violence. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261/100 "2009-05-14T17:45:05Z")
85%-95% sounds about right. You agree that men who hit women are scum, do you not? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neanderthal-wife-beaters-deserve/496261.md?page=6)