# Need help defining a moral dilemma. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 7, 2001, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222 "2001-09-07T13:31:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2001, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222/21 "2001-09-07T20:02:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Pink \* > That seems to be the main reason people do it, so they can say something risky, that might get them banned, and still have the ability to continue posting on the message board. Which, again, strikes me as complete cowardice. If you are going to do something risky, either _do it_, or _don’t_. Breaking the set out rules of this board simply so that one doesn’t endanger one’s precious screen name with bad thoughts is simply vile cowardice. Look, if you’re unsure as to whether a certain thing you post might be against the rules or not, _check with a moderator_. People do that, and we say “yea” or “nay” to certain links or phrases or whatnot. And even if we won’t allow it, we won’t ban you for the mere suggestion. If you want to argue with a moderator as to whether they did something wrong, start a Pit thread. Please, for the love of the IPU, show me _anyone_ that started a rational discussion of a moderator action and got banned. Just today, I can reference three threads in current circulation that question moderator actions, and for which no participant has been banned. The only reason we’ll ban someone for arguing with us is if A) they cannot post their arguments in the correct forum; B) they cannot refrain from continuing their actions while the debate goes on\*; C) they act like a complete jerk in their discussion of the issue (saying, “I think Coldfire was wrong” is one thing- saying, “Coldfire is a fucking Nazi bastard” is another); or D) they break other rules in the course of the debate (bringing in socks to support them). Y’know why a lot of people get banned? 'Cause they throw off a flippant and pissy remark without thinking about it. But a lot of people on this board do that. The thing is, the people who get banned are the people who can’t admit that they were wrong. They’re the people who _must_ argue the point, _must_ prove that they were _absolutely_ justified no matter what, and are _never_ willing to take a step back and apologize, accept responsibility, and let the matter drop. No, they must continue to fight, to shout, to argue, because to admit a mistake would apparently be a fate worse than death. I’d like to say that pisses me off. But it doesn’t. It just makes me goddamned sad that some people can’t see the world except through “I am infalliable” glasses. ---
**Author:** ![Pink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/71c47a/32.png) [@Pink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pink)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2001, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222/22 "2001-09-07T20:12:20Z")
You’re an ass. Just look at the way you went nuts over a simple fact. I didn’t say _I_ did those things. But I understand them. And some asswipe will come on in a minute, now that you have given them the green light, and ask for my departure. I’m sorry already that I made that (100% true) remark. And you think you’re braver than me? Ha. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2001, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222/23 "2001-09-07T20:13:11Z")
Whoops! Another Surfola spoofer? You just fucked up, Poirot. Big Time. We’ll be deactivating that account shortly. No doubt you have others but, we’re content to whittle away at 'em. You **cannot** win in the long run. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2001, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222/24 "2001-09-07T20:16:29Z")
And Pink, how is it you are using two widely separated non-portable IP addresses within 45 minutes of each other? Explain that please. ---
**Author:** ![Pink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/71c47a/32.png) [@Pink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pink)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2001, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222/25 "2001-09-07T20:27:59Z")
I’m using NetZero, you dope. Who told you there was anything “non-portable” any more? And I dialed the identical number too. Try it yourself (It’s free.) Then get back to me. Didn’t you know AOL works the same way? Ask TubaDiva or one of the other AOL mods, or just look up a couple of their numbers. Talk about morons. ---
**Author:** ![Poirot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/47e85d/32.png) [@Poirot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poirot)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2001, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222/26 "2001-09-07T20:31:50Z")
UncleBeer - You said the same thing last year and the year before. Look it up. I’m posting the truth here, and it doesn’t look like you can stop me. I’m not causing trouble, you are. ---
**Author:** ![BoBettie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4af34b/32.png) [@BoBettie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BoBettie)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2001, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222/27 "2001-09-07T20:32:16Z")
So yet another thread that got turned into a “sexy Zette” topic gets hijacked. Sheesh, you guys! Cut me a break! I’ve been on here for years and finally someone has a nice dirty fantasy about me, and you gotta ruin it with your board nonsense?? ::gets tapped on the shoulder and someone whispers in her ear:: Oh…this thread WAS about sock puppets? Carry on then… Zette ::slinking off to find her Santa suit and whip:: ---
**Author:** ![Poirot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/47e85d/32.png) [@Poirot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poirot)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2001, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222/28 "2001-09-07T20:36:01Z")
Oh, yeah, and I’m having fun doing it. That’s what gets to you the most, isn’t it? You never seem to have fun here. You’re always barking and sputtering and being bitchy. Then you don’t feel loved enough? Gee, I wonder why. ---
**Author:** ![Pink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/71c47a/32.png) [@Pink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pink)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2001, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222/29 "2001-09-07T20:38:11Z")
Sorry, Zette! I was glad to hear Santa was you. Hope they give you a one-month waiver in December. ---
**Author:** ![Poirot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/47e85d/32.png) [@Poirot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poirot)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2001, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222/30 "2001-09-07T20:39:45Z")
I didn’t see you there. I was still talking to Mr. Beer. ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2001, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222/31 "2001-09-07T20:39:53Z")
The heck with that, **Zette**. I’m letting **Unc** and **Corrado** take care of the sock brigade. In the meantime, I’ll be awaiting a link to a pic of you in a PVC Santa suit. ---
**Author:** ![BoBettie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4af34b/32.png) [@BoBettie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BoBettie)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2001, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222/32 "2001-09-07T20:41:32Z")
> [@](#): > > You’re always barking and sputtering and being bitchy. OK, the sputtering and being bitchy I can handle. Barking? I think not! Zette (What, you mean it’s NOT all about me?? How can that be possible?) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2001, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222/33 "2001-09-07T20:42:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Pink \* > You’re an ass. Just look at the way you went nuts over a simple fact. Uh-huh. I went nuts. Yep, that’s why I publicly called for your banning. That’s why I threatened you with banning. That’s why I stated that you’re a fuckwit and an asshole. Whoops. No, wait, I didn’t say anything _like_ that, now did I? I was perfectly willing to engage you in debate. And then you call me an ass. Geez, love the perspective. > [@](#): > > I didn’t say _I_ did those things. But I understand them. And _I_ didn’t accuse _you_ of doing those things, did I? I mean, I could have pointed out that you use the same spoofing site that most of our socks use, and that you were red flagged as a sock from the moment you appear both by dint of title, IP, and OP. But I didn’t. > [@](#): > > And some asswipe will come on in a minute, now that you have given them the green light, and ask for my departure. > I’m sorry already that I made that (100% true) remark. I’m sorry for you as well, that you are so immature as to see an attack in every disagreement, that you assume the mods immediately kill off opposition, and that you must live a twisted, stunted, and most of all, cowardly life by crusading against something no one else takes offense at, and not even being able to do so under your real name. > [@](#): > > And you think you’re braver than me? Ha. John Corrado’s my name. It’s the only name I use around here. When I choose to post something, I accept the consequences of what I say, even if it means getting my ass handed to me in a debate, or yelled at by other posters. You don’t seem able to do that, do you? ---
**Author:** ![BoBettie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4af34b/32.png) [@BoBettie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BoBettie)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2001, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222/34 "2001-09-07T20:42:54Z")
Mmmmm…I’m thinking liquid latex. Zanta (making out her “naughty” and “nice” lists) ---
**Author:** ![Alphagene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Alphagene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alphagene)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2001, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222/35 "2001-09-07T20:44:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Pink \* > \*\*Talk about morons. \*\* OK: “Look eveyone, Pink and Poirot are here!” Who says we don’t have fun? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Pink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/71c47a/32.png) [@Pink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pink)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2001, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222/36 "2001-09-07T23:24:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Corrado \* > \*\*I was perfectly willing to engage you in debate. \*\* I stand corrected. Actually, I’m perched. It’s one of those ergo-stools. Here’s my part of the debate: Feel free to comment on the ideas without attacking me. I will be pleasantly surprized, I assure you. So, the reason people use socks is… Say! I just realized that you’re right. All people who use socks are losers. Like Ed/Cecil, and Czarcasm on the Roundtable board, and … let’s see, didn’t Lynn use a sock once? And a couple others, as I recall. Even sainted UncleBeer on the sock forum. (There’s YOUR moral dilemma- How do you call all those mods names and then face them at the next reindeer club meeting?) Oh, yeah, and there’s about a couple of dozen SDMB posters who use socks at OpalCat’s forum. I guess they are “jerks” to you too? Lucky for them she doesn’t have that jerk rule. Gee, ever notice her forum has no rule against socks and there also isn’t a “sock problem”? Might be worth looking into. ---
**Author:** ![Pink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/71c47a/32.png) [@Pink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pink)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2001, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222/37 "2001-09-07T23:32:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zette \* > \*\*Mmmmm…I’m thinking liquid latex. > > Zanta > (making out her “naughty” and “nice” lists) \*\* You’re a caution! Bet you miss the Roundtable. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2001, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222/38 "2001-09-08T01:00:21Z")
Quick question-I was stuck at campus today and I logged into the SDMB from school, so I wouldn’t have to wait until I got home to post. I logged out, but it might show different IPs for me, so I’m sorry. I hope I’m not in trouble? ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2001, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222/39 "2001-09-08T01:06:42Z")
Well, all I know is that I post as UKELELE IKE and YOSEMITEBABE and I’ve never be cau– Shit. Was that my outloud voice? ---
**Author:** ![Alphagene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Alphagene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alphagene)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2001, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222/40 "2001-09-08T01:33:12Z")
Guin, simply posting from different IPs isn’t gonna get ya canned. We use IPs to identify our problem children. Some of them have caught on to this fact (after a looong time) and attempt to hide their IPs though spoofers. Thing is, we also know the spoofers they use. Kinda sad, really. It’s the spoofery and sockpuppetry that’s a no-no, not merely posting from different locations. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-help-defining-a-moral-dilemma/80222.md?page=3)