# Need obscure DS9 quote **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 22, 2004, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-obscure-ds9-quote/241519 "2004-04-22T22:02:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2004, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-obscure-ds9-quote/241519/1 "2004-04-22T22:02:03Z")
A friend asked me for a Star Trek:Deep Space Nine quote, and I can’t find it on the web. Season 6, episode 543 “In the Pale Moonlight” (The awesome episode where Sisco fakes data to get the Romulans to join against the Dominion) He is looking for a quote from Vreenak (the Romulan) that goes something like: “Your shipyards are smashed, theirs are running non-stop. They are breeding legions of Jem-Haddar[sic], you are facing a manpower shortage” Anybody got the full quote? I told my friend to just rent the season 6 DVD and find it, but it case he doesn’t want to do that, I figured I’sd ask here. Brian ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2004, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-obscure-ds9-quote/241519/2 "2004-04-22T22:28:24Z")
> [@](#): > > “Time is definitely not on your side. The Dominion shipyards are operating at 100% capacity, yours are still being re-built. The Dominion is breeding legions of Jem’Hadar soldiers everyday, you’re experiencing an manpower shortage. But most importantly, the Dominion is resolved to win the war at any cost. You and I both know that the Federation have already put out peace-feelers. Now, in all candour, if you were in my position which side would you choose?” [http://www.greatlink.org/dcisV2.asp?url=dominion/dominion-index.asp?dompage=http://www.greatlink.org/dominion/ds9s6/moonlight.asp](http://www.greatlink.org/dcisV2.asp?url=dominion/dominion-index.asp?dompage=http://www.greatlink.org/dominion/ds9s6/moonlight.asp) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2004, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-obscure-ds9-quote/241519/3 "2004-04-22T22:32:16Z")
“Time is definitely not on your side. Dominion shipyards are operating at 100% capacity. Yours are still being rebuilt. The Dominion is breeding legions of Jem’Hadar soldiers everyday. You’re experiencing manpower shortage. But most important, the Dominion is resolved to win the war at any cost.” ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-obscure-ds9-quote/241519/4 "2004-04-23T02:23:23Z")
WOW! that was quick. (we need the “I’m not worthy” bowing smilie) Thanks. Amazed my friend. I was honest and said “I couldn’t find your quote, but I knew where to ask and here it is” Brian ---
**Author:** ![Bambi\_Hassenpfeffer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Bambi\_Hassenpfeffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bambi_Hassenpfeffer)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-obscure-ds9-quote/241519/5 "2004-04-23T04:15:40Z")
Love, love, love this episode. Best part of the whole thing? The Romulan slamming the data rod down on the counter, hissing: “It’s a _fake_!” One of the best of DS9. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-obscure-ds9-quote/241519/6 "2004-04-23T05:41:02Z")
> [@Bambi Hassenpfeffer](#): > > Love, love, love this episode. Best part of the whole thing? The Romulan slamming the data rod down on the counter, hissing: “It’s a _fake_!” I must respectfully disagree. I think the best part was the very end. When Sisko asks himself if he can live with his decision (“All it cost was one officer’s self-respect”), decides he can, then deletes the whole log. There’s something about that moment, when you realize the truth will never be known, that really got to me when I was watching it. ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-obscure-ds9-quote/241519/7 "2004-04-23T12:27:01Z")
Agreed. His delivery in that final scene is just chilling. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-obscure-ds9-quote/241519/8 "2004-04-23T16:23:57Z")
You can’t go wrong with Romulans and DS9. My two favorite things together… what’s not to love? ---
**Author:** ![Estilicon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Estilicon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Estilicon)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-obscure-ds9-quote/241519/9 "2004-04-23T18:12:58Z")
That is truly one of the best trek episodes ever. Just a moment ago,( I’m in bed with flu), I was reading an excelent book (which I can’t recommend more), “The Zimmerman Telegram” by Barbara Tuchman. In the first chapter she describes how the English manage to get of the germans by convincing a young austrian clerk (his mother was english and they sent him a letter by one of his english relatives in which he/she asks the clerk to help “the motherland”), he was so afraid that it took him three monts to copy the code book, at the end he insisted that the english agent take him together with the code back to London. The english agreed, the clerk was never seen again… War is a nasty buisness. Star Trek, with all it’s prime directives, presents the Federation as the New Jerusalem. DS9, did it better, they are the good guys but they live in a horrible place.- The federation was going to loose, there was a chance, it involved the romulans (the best alien race ever), it also involved cheating. Personally, (and I will bring great debates into Cafe Society), If I can’t justify Bush I also can’t justify Captain Sisko. In fact Bush only lied, he didn’t kill anyone to achieve his ends, Sisko murdered the crew of a Romulan ship. It was a great episode, it showed that the federetion weren’t such good guys after all, I doubt, though, that Star Trek creator would have aproved. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-obscure-ds9-quote/241519/10 "2004-04-23T18:28:35Z")
I was talking about this episode this morning. The thing is, and the saving grace is, that Sisko doesn’t like what he has done. He also was not in on the ‘blow up the Romulan shuttle’ part of the plan so the damaged fake rod would be taken as authentic. It’s very similuar to when Kirk decided to arm the population in A Private Little War. He didn’t want to do it but he knew it must be done. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-obscure-ds9-quote/241519/11 "2004-04-23T18:36:52Z")
> [@Estillicon](#): > > Perrsonally, (and I will bring great debates into Cafe Society), If I can’t justify Bush I also can’t justify Captain Sisko. In fact Bush only lied, he didn’t kill anyone to achieve his ends, Sisko murdered the crew of a Romulan ship. I agree fully with you and as a card carrying Bush hating liberal, this dichotomy gives me no amount of consternation. It’s also probably the best example I can give of why DS9 is my favorite series. It seriously makes you stop and think about the ends justifying the means and whether or not it’s all worth it in the end. I’m getting chills just thinking about this and it’s been five years since I’ve seen the episode. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-obscure-ds9-quote/241519/12 "2004-04-23T20:52:19Z")
> [@Estilicon](#): > > Personally, (and I will bring great debates into Cafe Society), If I can’t justify Bush I also can’t justify Captain Sisko. In fact Bush only lied, he didn’t kill anyone to achieve his ends, Sisko murdered the crew of a Romulan ship. > It was a great episode, it showed that the federetion weren’t such good guys after all, I doubt, though, that Star Trek creator would have aproved. Without further venturing into GD, my memory agrees with what a few others have already posted. Sisko had no knowledge that the Romulan ship would be destroyed. That was Garak’s plan. Garak obtained the data rod, and recruited Sisko. Sisko only knew about a plan to deceive the Romulans. Garak blew up the ship on his own and without asking permission first. OTTOMH Sisko ‘How could you blow up a ship filled with innocent people?!’ Garak ‘Romulan soldiers are hardly innocent captain.’ S ‘They were here peacefully!’ G ‘Yes, and the bomb I used will make it appear that the Dominion destroyed them for that reason. When the Romulans examine the wreckage, they will find the rod. Any flaws will be attributed to the explosion. The Romulans will be convinced that the Dominion destroyed the ship in order to destroy the rod and prevent an alliance with the Federation. Naturally, this will cause the Romulans to enter into an alliance with you.’ ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-obscure-ds9-quote/241519/13 "2004-04-23T23:01:44Z")
> [@](#): > > Garak : “Precisely! And the more the Dominion protests its innocence the more the Romulans will believe they’re guilty because that’s exactly what the Romulans would have done in their place. That’s why you came to me, isn’t it Captain? Because you knew I could do those things that you weren’t capable of doing. Well it worked, and you’ll get what you want: a war between the Romulans and the Dominion. And if your conscience is bothering you, you should soothe it with the knowledge that you may have just saved the entire Alpha Quadrant and all it cost was the life of one Romulan Senator, one criminal and the self respect of one Starfleet officer. I don’t know about you, but I’d call that a bargain.” I agree. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2004, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-obscure-ds9-quote/241519/14 "2004-04-23T23:46:49Z")
This is why Garak is one of the best characters ever to inhabit the Trek universe. Hats off to Andrew Robinson.