# Need turn based strategy game suggestions, Not Steam please **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** video-games-e-games\ **Created:** [July 15, 2021, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-turn-based-strategy-game-suggestions-not-steam-please/946584 "2021-07-15T21:53:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-turn-based-strategy-game-suggestions-not-steam-please/946584/41 "2021-07-28T21:39:10Z")
Female Soviet snipers in WWII were common and [some were very good and very feared](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyudmila_Pavlichenko). ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-turn-based-strategy-game-suggestions-not-steam-please/946584/42 "2021-07-28T22:47:04Z")
I don’t know about “common” - about 2,000 women served as snipers in the Red Army during World War II. That’s out of about 700,000 women who served in the Red Army, almost all of whom served in support roles, and out of over 34 _million_ men and women total. They definitely existed, though, and are about the only women on either side in the European theater who served as front line infantry, so they’ve become quite common in _games_ and other fictional depictions. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-turn-based-strategy-game-suggestions-not-steam-please/946584/43 "2021-07-28T22:54:01Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > I don’t know about “common” - about 2,000 women served as snipers in the Red Army during World War II. That’s out of about 700,000 women who served in the Red Army, almost all of whom served in support roles, and out of over 34 _million_ men and women total. The relevant question is how many snipers were there in total and how many of them were women? Also, I thought they were more prevalent in places like the siege of Leningrad (St. Petersburg). Not sure though. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-turn-based-strategy-game-suggestions-not-steam-please/946584/44 "2021-07-28T23:01:54Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > The relevant question is how many snipers were there in total and how many of them were women? Fair point. Over 400,000 Red Army soldiers received sniper training during World War II. I can’t find a good reference for how many served in a formal sniper role, but Soviet doctrine called for a “sniper” (really, a designated marksman) in every _squad_, so by that measure, there were a _lot_ of snipers in the Red Army. Again, women definitely served as snipers. But I don’t think they were ever actually “common” in real life, by any reasonable definition. ETA: we’re also drifting pretty far from the actual topic of this thread… ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2021, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-turn-based-strategy-game-suggestions-not-steam-please/946584/45 "2021-07-28T23:04:36Z")
> [@glowacks](#): > > I can’t speak for the OP, but for me, I bought a 2-pack of games from Meijer that were published by Valve many years ago, Oblivion and Bioshock perhaps. Neither of those games were published by Valve. Oblivion was published by Bethesda Software, and Bioshock by 2K Games. The decision to require a constant internet connection was made by those publishers, not by Valve. ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2021, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-turn-based-strategy-game-suggestions-not-steam-please/946584/46 "2021-07-29T01:49:17Z")
I don’t actually remember what game they were. I’m pretty sure one was Oblivion, but I can’t be sure. It was a long time ago. Regardless of whether those games were published by the same company that ran Steam, it’s Steam I have a problem with, not those games (other than me not liking them, but that’s not the relevant issue). ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-turn-based-strategy-game-suggestions-not-steam-please/946584/47 "2021-07-30T17:21:46Z")
I had a lot of fun with Warlock Master of the Arcane. It’s like Civ 5 in a fantasy world. If you’re into space strategy games I’m having a lot fun with Interstellar Space: Genesis. It’s a 4x game like Master of Orion 2, and the combat is turn-based (but can be auto-resolved if you want.) It’s one of those games that seems simple at first but is a lot deeper than it first appears. I actually won my first few games by being elected supreme leader of the galaxy, which is an interesting mechanic. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-turn-based-strategy-game-suggestions-not-steam-please/946584/48 "2021-07-30T17:29:28Z")
Are either of these solo play? Do they have Random maps that can be edited? * * * I’ve been playing Age of Wonders II Shadow Magic again lately. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-turn-based-strategy-game-suggestions-not-steam-please/946584/49 "2021-07-30T17:49:42Z")
Yes, both are solo, although you can play Warlock multiplayer. I don’t think either can have custom maps, but they do have random maps I believe. The Age of Wonders series is a lot of fun. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2021, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-turn-based-strategy-game-suggestions-not-steam-please/946584/50 "2021-07-30T17:53:46Z")
Cool, thanks for the info. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/need-turn-based-strategy-game-suggestions-not-steam-please/946584.md?page=2)