NEO-Eugenics

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From a quick read of this thread, I gotta ask: what’s your goal in starting and posting to this thread? If you believe everything you say and are satisfied with it, why call for the opinions of others? If your goal was to convince others, then you need a lot more work on your interpersonal skills. You’ll convince no-one (or at least no-one worthwhile) by implying that disagreement with you equals stupidity.

My own take, by the way, is that humans haven’t significantly evolved in any meaningful way for the 10,000 years or so we’ve been building civilization (such a span is a mere blip on the evolutionary scale). We haven’t evolved to become smarter, but we have identified a lot of things that were making us dumber (i.e. pollutants, certain childhood diseases) and tried to minimize our exposure. Also, instant communications and data storage means that an intelligent person has access to the research of other intelligent people. Heck, even a dumb person who can read can accomplish all kinds of cool things undreamt of prior to the 20th century.

So, in short, I don’t understand your concerns.

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I don’ disagree with that article, it says that in EXTREME cases environment hinders one from reaching their genetic potential. This is also agreed to by Professor Richard Lynn who I often quote. But, I don’t believe that article disproves the claim that most of IQ is genetic, 80% by adulthood.

Research done shows that even when environment is accounted for, IQ is still primarily genetic. Now, I’ll not an expert in statistics or psychology, and I never claimed to be. But, I use the sources of people who are experts.

Regards.

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I am here to make my case for eugenics. Sure, most may not agree with me, but as long as I make an effort, I am satisfied.

I never said that people who disagree with me have a low IQ. I believe you are just fabricating right now? I speculate though, perhaps it is just an sincere misunderstanding on your part.

Regards.

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EXTREME cases, like comparing Zimbabwe to Canada?

A good deal of IQ may indeed be genetic.

That does not mean it is ethnic.

Bowl me over with a feather!

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My dear, you make the continued mistake of equating IQ with intelligence.

BTW, what’s the status on your research into why the brilliant East Asians are largely wallowing in the 15th century instead of dominating the planet, especially them “stupid negros?”

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American Blacks don’t live THAT bad: they get basic nutrition, free education, yet their IQ average is still two standard deviations lower than Jews and one standard deviation lower than Whites. Now, the question is, why do East Asians and Jews score higher than Whites? Are Whites being “oppressed” by Jews and EAst Asians which causes their lower IQ? And if its environment, why can’t we replicate this Jewish and East Asian environment on Whites and Blacks so they can all be as smart as Jews/East Asians? Why is Head Start not working?

Why is it after all the persecution of Jews during World War 2, they quickly become the most successful ethnic group within ten years or so? Why is it that after the destruction of Germany in World War 2 and 1, Germany immediately become First world again? Why is it that after nuking Japanese, they quicky become first world again? Now, why can’t Blacks do this? Other smarter races after being persecuted or attacked quickly rose to the top again, but Blacks can’t do the same? I think it’s genetic.

Regards.

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East Asians are doing great. Japan and South Korea are first world nations. China was communistic, but now that they are becoming capitalist, they are rising very fast. Mexico is capitalistic also, but will never rise due to a low national IQ average. Same with Russia: they were communist for so long which killed their economy, even though Russians are White. North Korea is communist and is facing economic sanctions, so that explains their situation.

Africa will aways be poor no matter what environment is created for them.

Native Indians are not the same ethnic group as East Asians. Professor Kevelli-Sphorza (I think that’s how you spell it) followed the Human Genome Project and actually created for main racial groups: Whites, Blacks, North-East Asians, and South Asians. Native Indians are said to be South East Asians. Also it is speculated that it was the extreme Wurm Glaciation that also helped North-East Asians become smart, but Native Indians migrated to America before the Wurm Glaciation. this is covered I believe by Professor Rushton and I have already posted links.

Regards.

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i would trade some of my huge IQ for a black dick :slight_smile:

why do you think people should be bred to maximize IQ ?

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Ever heard of the Marshall Plan? I can’t believe I’m even replying to such blatant racism. Think I’ll stop now.

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You wouldn’t be one to prescribe to the beliefs of behaviorial therapy, now would you? You really, truly believe that the psychotic work ethic forced on Asian immigrant children by their parents, which leads to a statistically high level of suicide (unless, AHA! That is a genetic trait, too!) has absolutely nothing to do with their higher educational levels than black kids living in the ghettos and getting substandard education?

Where? In America? I wasn’t aware that the American Jews were persecuted all that badly in America, which is where all of your statistics are from.

BTW, biologically speaking, “successful” ethnic groups would be Chinese and Indians.

This may be your most pathetic argument yet. Germany became first world again because America and the other Western allies poured billions into rebuilding the social and economic structure. Also notice that Germany did not “immediately” become a first world power after WWI. In fact, it suffered rather greatly for 15 years until it industrially began producing war machinery. Not that you’re an expert on economics, anyway. FURTHER, your “racial genetic superiority” makes no sense, since East Germany certainly did not rebound - oh, wait, but when it is COMMUNIST, it is behaviorial, but when it is WESTERN, it is genetic? Please.

Open a history book some time, sweetheart.

Because racist asshats like you dismiss them offhand? I don’t know, have you ever tried spending $500 billion on restructuring an African nation?

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Other smarter races after being persecuted or attacked quickly rose to the top again, but Blacks can’t do the same? I think it’s genetic.
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And I think you’re a moron who needs some more social studies courses.

This is the problem with IQ… it doesn’t measure intelligence, it measures puzzle solving. You can have a genius IQ, yet still be a dullard about rather simple concepts as social economics.

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IQ is not something you are born with, it’s a test score. Saying IQ is genetic is like saying SAT scores are genetic. It’s meaningless, because you’re looking at performance on a task that is written and scored by other people, and is thus inevitably subjective. IQ is not an objective enough measure to be considered in discussions of genetics or anything else.

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I do admire the Black body. Jon Entine, a Jewish Liberal science writer, wrote a book called “Taboo: Why Black Atheletes Dominate Sports And Why We Are Afraid to Talk About It” in which he claims Blacks have a genetic advantage in certain types of sports like sprinting and distance running, here is his site: http://www.jonentine.com/

Regards

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You’re cherrypicking, lover. Japan, first of all, does not have a military. Second of all, both Japan and Korea have exclusive trade rights with Western nations, who have, for a long time, proped up both their governments and their industries.

If they are GENETICALLY superior, it would follow that North Korea, Cambodia, Vietnam, Mongolia, Indonesia etc etc would be on equal footing.

Of course, someone from North Korea is no dumber than someone from South Korea. They may just have different levels of education.

I thought that intelligence was genetic, not behaviorial? How can behavior have such a tremendous effect on an obviously genetic trait?

Of course, which has nothing to do with low education and health standards.

Oh, wait! I’m Mexican. Wait… what was my measured IQ again?.. Oh, yea, 162.

Hot damn! I’m a statistical anomaly!

Wait wait wait wait…

If you’re rich, you are smart. If you are poor, you are dumb. Intelligence is genetic.

Right?

Oh, unless you’re communist. Then, if you’re poor, you can still be smart, but… oh, wait, that doesn’t work.

whispers I think you need to call in those smarter than you friends now, sweetcheeks

No it doesn’t. You’re weaseling out. Well, trying to, at least. I thought they were genetically superior? But SURELY, their educational and health standards CAN’T have any effect on that, because if that were true, MAYBE the poor dumb Africans would be just as well off if they - oh, shoot, I’ve gone and done it again. Do you want a band-aid for your logic, honeybear?

What about Egypt and Morocco?

This is almost getting tiring.

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How does a racist argument differ from a scientific or empirical one?

Anyway, I enjoyed my time with you. Thanks for the input.

Regards.

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Oh, I dunno… Because you ignore little things like the Marshall Plan?

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And the same help has been given to Blacks in America, yet they still fail. Genetics? East Asians have the genetic potential for success, Blacks don’t, on average.

Its only those Asians Indigenous to North East Asia that are smart, not the South East Asians. I don’t know about Mongolia.

Enviroment does play a big part in SES, but not IQ, meaning, while the potential for success if primarily genetic, actually becoming successful also is influenced by opportunity as well as the psychological drive to achieve. Many MENSA members are truck drivers, or so I heard.

But at the same time, if there is no genetic potential, environment won’t do anything. for example, even when china was much poorer, they still scored higher on IQ tests than Whites, on average, who were much richer. But, communism did not allow them to use their IQ to their full potential.

They both score about the same on IQ

Arn’t you now portraying statistical ignorance, as you have accused me of? I said the MEDIAN IQ of races differ, but I did not say every Mexican is less intelligent than every East Asian. IQ of races show a normal distribution curve, so their is a low end and a high end of every curve, you are probably on the very high end of the Hispanic curve.
Regards.

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It has? Since when? I don’t recall blacks being given billions of dollars to build an industrial machine. Maybe you’re looking in a Bizzaro World history book?

Oh, right. Silly me. I suppose all the wonderous civilizations in Siberia, Mongolia, and Korea speak volumes, not to mention the fact that the Japanese fought with swords and arrows until the 1870s. CLEARLY superior genetics.

No shiat, sweetie? But I seem to recall a certain person… what was her name… I’m sure I’ll remember… oh, yea, YOU, making billions of claims that low SES was caused by low IQ, and low IQ caused low SES.

Your example had nothing to do with low genetic potential and high environment. It had to do with high genetic potential and low environment. Care to restate?

I thought that poor people were stupid?

If you’ll recall, I also accused you of not being able to read, which I see is apt, since you failed to comprehend the “I’m a statistical anomally” right after that line.
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You seem to have gone quiet, honey bunny. Is it because you’re busy looking up “Marshall Plan” in the neofascist site listings, or are you just eating dinner?

I’d be so sad if you left :frowning:

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Billions have been spent on Blacks to help raise them from their genetic limitations: it has not worked. But it did work on Germans and the Japanese. And Jews all by themselves, in face of great anti-Jewish persecution, became very powerful. Why can’t Blacks to the same?

Gun powder was discovered by the Chinese. In fact, only a few geniuses invent something and then share it with the masses. Most geniuses are White, but most Whites are not geniuses. Most Whites too would be fighting with swords not for a small percentage of geniuses who thought up the gun. But, compare the percentage of East Asians that can understand calculus to the percentage of Whites, you will see the difference.

In advanced nations, low SES is highly correlated to low IQ, according to research. But, environment does play a part in SES which can be seen when IQ is held constant. For example, take two people with identical IQs and then provide one with the funds to go to college while sending the other to work the fields of China. Who will have a higher SES?

Generally, but not always.

Regards.

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You’re comparing apples and oranges. If we made an ethnically cleansed nation of black people (I’m sure you’d get off on that) and gave them billions of dollars to prop up their government, not to mention rebuilt their industry, I’m sure they would do fine, too.

Both nations with pre-existing industrial structures and first world status.

Um… became very powerful? Have you ever been to Israel? They are hardly “very powerful” outside of the sense of, “America gave them billions of dollars of aid and military equipment.”

That’s all you’ve got? Gunpowder? From a people who weren’t smart enough to use it in guns?

What do you think that says about genetics vs. environment?

Oh, so now “intelligence” is defined as “ability to understand calculus”?

You’re almost getting it. Take the two twins with identical IQs at birth and put one in the field in China and one in a nurturing home in America with the funds to go to college. Which one will have the higher IQ?

Glad we settled that. Now, let’s see if we can get you to comprehend the relationship of correlation and causation.