# Neo-Nazi leader in southwest killed by 10-year-old son **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 4, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717 "2011-05-04T17:25:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/1 "2011-05-04T17:25:14Z")
[Story here.](http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0511/neo_nazi_dead.php3) If the father had gotten killed doing something stupid, I’d laugh it off. But he was murdered in his sleep by his own 10-year-old son. What kind of sick things do you have to do to your own kid to make him hate you that much? I feel kind of sick right now, and God, how sorry I feel for that kid. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/2 "2011-05-04T17:36:44Z")
Maybe he talked in his sleep. About, y’know, race-treason or something. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/3 "2011-05-04T18:07:38Z")
Good that he’s dead, and the kid probably deserves a medal or something, but I hope the whole thing doesn’t mess him up too much. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/4 "2011-05-04T18:12:28Z")
Probably found interracial porn on dad’s computer and did what had to be done. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/5 "2011-05-04T18:14:24Z")
This poor kid has been living in a miasma of hate and abuse all his life. I can’t imagine the darkness and misery he lived with every day as a matter of course. Now his life is even more ruined than it was before. It’s heartbreaking. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/6 "2011-05-04T18:34:25Z")
Good grief! what a tragic mess. Let’s hope the judicial system can be cool and rational on this. Not knowing the details of the case we can’t pre-judge but with a ten year old kid you’d have to hope for rehabilitation and the chance of a full and productive life. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/7 "2011-05-04T19:42:00Z")
I have to admit that this is one instance where having a loaded gun in the house was beneficial. Maybe the kid was convinced that the father was born in Mexico or something. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/8 "2011-05-04T20:42:05Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > I have to admit that this is one instance where having a loaded gun in the house was beneficial. > > Maybe the kid was convinced that the father was born in Mexico or something. He failed to produce the long-form certificate, I assume. Anyway, I see he was killed on Sunday. Two scumbags dead in one day. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/9 "2011-05-04T20:52:13Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Good that he’s dead, and the kid probably deserves a medal or something, but I hope the whole thing doesn’t mess him up too much. His father is a fucking Nazi - how much more messed up could he be? I don’t think anyone is going to come out of this one happy. The story seems to say that the mother might have abused the kid. Maybe that’s why he was messed up. God help anyone for whom the most responsible person in your life, and the one who winds up with full custody after a divorce, is a neo-Nazi. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/10 "2011-05-04T20:58:37Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > I feel kind of sick right now… Dead guy was a close personal friend, i assume? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/11 "2011-05-04T21:00:14Z")
As ye sow… ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/12 "2011-05-04T21:01:26Z")
Interesting tid-bit from the article–the kid’s mother (who is divorced from dear old dad) is named “Leticia.” ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/13 "2011-05-04T21:19:33Z")
You expected Eva maybe? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/14 "2011-05-04T22:15:32Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > His father is a fucking Nazi - how much more messed up could he be? > > I don’t think anyone is going to come out of this one happy. The story seems to say that the mother might have abused the kid. Maybe that’s why he was messed up. > > God help anyone for whom the most responsible person in your life, and the one who winds up with full custody after a divorce, is a neo-Nazi. > > Regards, > Shodan If you read the article, Child Welfare said that the charges were unsubstantiated. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/15 "2011-05-04T23:19:04Z")
You think the old man was dangerous? How about this kid? He popped his pop. While pop was sleeping. And did it when he was 10. This kid is a future Timothy McVeigh. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/16 "2011-05-04T23:36:43Z")
Or, ya know, his father was a Nazi. You idiot. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/17 "2011-05-04T23:49:31Z")
I’m going to hope it was a case of the kid protecting a younger sibling from his dirtbag father. At least then he stands a fair chance of growing up to live a decent life. How messed up is the mom though that she could not get custody vs. a Neo-Nazi? In NJ, my understanding is the mom almost always gets custody unless the mom is a serious mess. But maybe that does not hold true elsewhere. In the end it sounds like this boy has been through a hellish start on life. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/18 "2011-05-04T23:49:37Z")
meaning he could someday become governor of California? ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/19 "2011-05-05T01:02:28Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Dead guy was a close personal friend, i assume? No more than Beria was a close personal friend of yours. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/20 "2011-05-05T01:27:53Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > meaning he could someday become governor of California? Well, now…Arnold’s father was a Nazi at a time when anyone involved in military, police or civil service basically had to join the Nazis or die. Nowadays, in America, willfully identifying as a Nazi implies a genuine and fanatical investment in the Nazi ideology. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717.md?page=2)