# Neo-Nazi leader in southwest killed by 10-year-old son **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 4, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717 "2011-05-04T17:25:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/21 "2011-05-05T03:06:19Z")
_Hop on Pop. Pop got Shot. I shot Pop. Pop got dropped._ ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/22 "2011-05-05T03:51:43Z")
[LA Times Blog Entry with video of Hill at rally against Jews and Mexicans](http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/05/jeff_hall_neo-nazi_leader_of_national_socialist_movement_shot_dead_in_riverside_home_10-year-old_son_in_police_custody.php) After watching this stupid, pea-brained, short-sighted and bigot video, PLEASE don’t prosecute this kid. He did nothing wrong. If the so called justice system needs to hang their hat on something, fine. 10 days probation. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/23 "2011-05-05T03:56:12Z")
I tell you, sometimes the daily news makes me so remarkably _normal_. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/24 "2011-05-05T03:56:42Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Interesting tid-bit from the article–the kid’s mother (who is divorced from dear old dad) is named “Leticia.” If you could, I’m just dying to know exactly what’s so interesting about it. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/25 "2011-05-05T05:36:06Z")
Every Leticia I’ve ever known was a Latina. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/26 "2011-05-05T11:53:35Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > If you read the article, Child Welfare said that the charges were unsubstantiated. I did read the article. I was talking about this kind of thing - > [@](#): > > In January 2011, a Riverside County judge upheld Hall’s full custody of the children, barring Neal from visiting the children. But Neal and her children were allowed to start undergoing reunification therapy. What kind of a mother do you have to be before the courts give full custody to a Nazi and bar you from visiting? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/27 "2011-05-05T12:03:57Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Dead guy was a close personal friend, i assume? Dude. Not cool. My first thought was that being brought up in an environment of violent rhetoric which encourages the treatment of other people as sub-human scum is not likely to inculcate a respect for human life in a child. Add a nasty custody battle during the formative years and you’ve got one messed-up kid even if there was no actual abuse. For all we know the father told the kid he couldn’t have any dessert because he hadn’t cleaned his room and the kid decided that this was an appropriate response. It’s horrible all around. ---
**Author:** ![willthekittensurvive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/91b2a8/32.png) [@willthekittensurvive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/willthekittensurvive)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/28 "2011-05-05T12:13:34Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Every Leticia I’ve ever known was a Latina. not sure sounds more like a ebonics name… ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/29 "2011-05-05T12:29:50Z")
> [@willthekittensurvive](#): > > not sure sounds more like a ebonics name… Or it could have been like my maiden great-aunt Lettie’s full given name – aqnd she was completely WASP, including the sting. Moral: don’t play into stereotypes. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/30 "2011-05-05T14:34:38Z")
Sure being a Neo-Nazi makes the guy an idiot but I doubt his politics were the cause of this. His son was ten years old - whatever reasons he had for killing his father must have been personal not ideological. So we have a man who’s dead and a boy who’s scarred for life. I can’t feel the glee that some people seem to have. To me this is just a tragedy. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/31 "2011-05-05T14:47:56Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Dead guy was a close personal friend, i assume? Hehe ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/32 "2011-05-05T14:57:12Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I did read the article. I was talking about this kind of thing - > > What kind of a mother do you have to be before the courts give full custody to a Nazi and bar you from visiting? > > Regards, > Shodan Perhaps the court is a member of the same group the father was in covertly … old boy network, hmmmmm? Hate to say that Blind Justice has a little armband with a swastica on it … but shit like that does happen. I got fired from a job because I wasnnt a scientologist and had just broken up with my scientologist BF, who was a friend of the scientologist that owned the company I had been working for the prevous 8 months without incedent … ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/33 "2011-05-05T15:05:21Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Interesting tid-bit from the article–the kid’s mother (who is divorced from dear old dad) is named “Leticia.” > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Every Leticia I’ve ever known was a Latina. > [@willthekittensurvive](#): > > not sure sounds more like a ebonics name… > [@Polycarp](#): > > Or it could have been like my maiden great-aunt Lettie’s full given name – aqnd she was completely WASP, including the sting. I can’t be the only one here who is familiar with [Letitia (pronounced LehTISHa) Cropley, the Dibley Poisioner](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letitia_Cropley#Characters). ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/34 "2011-05-05T15:08:21Z")
Anyone else disappointed that the kid didn’t run the guy down in the Bluesmobile? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/35 "2011-05-05T16:28:14Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Dude. Not cool. It was not supposed to be cool. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/36 "2011-05-05T16:35:30Z")
Maybe I was wrong about gun control. > [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > I can’t be the only one here who is familiar with [Letitia (pronounced LehTISHa) Cropley, the Dibley Poisioner](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letitia_Cropley#Characters). I can’t believe nobody has heard of [Laetitia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laetitia_Casta). [QUOTE=Gyrate] Dude. Not cool. [/QUOTE] Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/37 "2011-05-05T16:43:27Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > How messed up is the mom though that she could not get custody vs. a Neo-Nazi? She didn’t even have visitation rights. Sure, there was a molestation claim, but it’s unsubstantiated. As sad as the whole thing is, this part has me really scratching my head. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/38 "2011-05-05T19:59:12Z")
> [@willthekittensurvive](#): > > not sure sounds more like a ebonics name… You mean like [Letitia Pate Evans](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lettie_Pate_Whitehead_Evans), the lady who founded the scholarship that sent me to college? I assure you, she was so white it would make your teeth hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/39 "2011-05-05T23:14:39Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Dude. Not cool. You’re right. **mhendo** should have been nicer to the unapologetic racist. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2011, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/40 "2011-05-05T23:41:03Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > If you could, I’m just dying to know exactly what’s so interesting about it. > > CMC fnord! Cuz that’s not a typical straight-up white girl name in my experience (counter-examples in this thread notwithstanding). It reminded me of the Dave Chappelle skit where he’s a black blind white supremacist who thought he was white. Upon finding out the truth, he divorces his wife for “being a nigger-lover.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717.md?page=3)