# Neo-Nazi leader in southwest killed by 10-year-old son **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 4, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717 "2011-05-04T17:25:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/61 "2011-05-07T04:10:28Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > [This](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letitia_Baldrige) is the only Letitia I’ve ever known of. [Letitia Ketterley.](http://narnia.wikia.com/wiki/Letitia_Ketterley) ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/62 "2011-05-07T04:47:54Z")
[http://crimevoice.com/politics-not-the-motive-for-10-year-old-killing-his-father-authorities-say-5600/](http://crimevoice.com/politics-not-the-motive-for-10-year-old-killing-his-father-authorities-say-5600/) > [@](#): > > Court documents showed that the youth, whose name was not released by authorities due to his age, has shown a pattern of violence at home and school, possibly due to reported abusive behavior in his life. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/63 "2011-05-07T05:01:45Z")
> **[Neo-Nazi's killing unexplained](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2011-may-04-la-me-0504-neo-nazi-20110504-story.html)** > > Records show his son, 10, accused in the shooting, had shown aggression before. > [@](#): > > Hall also made headlines last year when he ran successfully for the local water board, the Western Municipal Water District. Locally elected waterboarder. ---
**Author:** ![AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/64 "2011-05-07T08:23:03Z")
> [@](#): > > but horrifyingly evil for white people to do so. Um no. Whites can and do celebrate their culture. It is called celebrating their ethinicity. White people do not have a single white culture…they have Irish Polish, etc etc. Acknowleding stuff like Mexican or black or Amerind contribuatiions to society isn’t being racist…it’s b/c for years and years and years the ONLY stuff in the textbooks was white males. It’s exactly the way that by being proud to be Deaf (ASL user with a hearing loss) I’m simply celebrating the fact that I am Deaf, (and that can be with CIs or hearing aids) not the fact that I’m anti hearing. Being pro something doesn’t automaticly mean that the opposite of it is teh EVIL! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/65 "2011-05-07T22:24:30Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > When people are trying to point out the stupidity inherent in racism, it’s generally quite a task to elevate racism by offering up something as a contrast. But you have heroically managed. I know what he means. Yet he still bitches about whites not being the majority anymore. It may not be “tolitarian”, in that he wishes whites to be in charge, but the fact that he seems to find other minorities to be a threat is certainly disturbing. I would consider that “tolitarian”. You’re free to disagree. **AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet** you pretty much said what I was trying to. An example maybe would be “Irish Pride” on St. Patrick’s Day. Or here in Pittsburgh where you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting someone without Polish ancestry. (Break out the pierogies!) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/66 "2011-05-07T22:30:41Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I know what he means. Yet he still bitches about whites not being the majority anymore. It may not be “tolitarian”, in that he wishes whites to be in charge, but the fact that he seems to find other minorities to be a threat is certainly disturbing. I would consider that “tolitarian”. You’re free to disagree. **Finn** is responding to this part of your post: > [@Guinastasia](#): > > Oh, and **LonesomePolecat** , what do you call a “tolitarian”? Do you mean you don’t have a problem with neo-Nazi beliefs, as long as they’re not wide-spread? …which suggests that you think the word _totalitarian_ means that a belief is wide-spread. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/67 "2011-05-07T22:42:36Z")
I wonder if his pediatrician asked him once whether the kid had access to guns? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2011, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/68 "2011-05-07T23:49:23Z")
> [@tnetennba](#): > > I wonder if his pediatrician asked him once whether the kid had access to guns? Win. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/69 "2011-05-09T17:50:57Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Huh. See, I’m white, lived my entire life in the U.S., and I have no idea what this is. Do you have to request an application? You can’t really be this stupid, but [here’s a Wikipedia article](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_American)that sums it fairly well. Why do progs try to pull this silly trick of pretending not to understand? ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/70 "2011-05-09T17:53:39Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > It is foolish to believe that Anglo-American civilization can be sustained without a white majority. Why? Plenty of minority cultures seem to be holding on, in this country and in others. Is Anglo-American culture so much weaker? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/71 "2011-05-09T18:01:29Z")
> [@spark240](#): > > Why? Plenty of minority cultures seem to be holding on, in this country and in others. Is Anglo-American culture so much weaker? Well, if Anglo-American culture includes having a white majority, then by definition… ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/72 "2011-05-09T18:01:32Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > “White” is just too generic to even have a culture. In fact, I’d say there’s more diversity among white people themselves. There’s no “white culture”, because it’s too big of a group. And yet universities offer “white studies” devoted to deconstructing white culture. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > Oh, and **LonesomePolecat** , what do you call a “tolitarian”? Do you mean you don’t have a problem with neo-Nazi beliefs, as long as they’re not wide-spread? Do you agree with them, generally? A totalitarion ideology or movement demands absolute control over every aspect of an individual’s life and does not tolerate dissent or free expression. As I don’t believe in the superiority or inferiority of any race, and I certainly advocate or approve of anything like the “Final Solution,” I don’t have any general agreement with the Nazis. I don’t see how they were any more evil than the communists, thoug. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > Or are you just a snippy little racist? Meh. I’m a racial realist who’s often disgusted with, and sometimes bitterly amused by, the supposedly “enlightened” racial views of progressives and their bizarre double standards. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/73 "2011-05-09T18:07:44Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > When people are trying to point out the stupidity inherent in racism, it’s generally quite a task to elevate racism by offering up something as a contrast. But you have heroically managed. There are no doctrines more bizarrely stupid than multiculturalism and diversity. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/74 "2011-05-09T19:00:32Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > As I don’t believe in the superiority or inferiority of any race… You’re a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/75 "2011-05-09T19:12:59Z")
> [@willthekittensurvive](#): > > not sure sounds more like a ebonics name… Ebonics? It’s originally Latin! As in “from way back when, before provincial Latin became a bunch of separate languages”… ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/76 "2011-05-09T20:58:32Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > I certainly advocate or approve of anything like the “Final Solution,” Unfortunate missing word in that phrase, **Polecat**. ---
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/77 "2011-05-09T21:27:00Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Meh. I’m a racial realist who’s often disgusted with, and sometimes bitterly amused by, the supposedly “enlightened” racial views of progressives and their bizarre double standards. “[Racial realist?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_realism)” Well, that’s mighty white of you, **Lonesome Polecat**. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/78 "2011-05-09T21:37:55Z")
I am able to celebrate my Italian, Danish, and Jewish (Polish/Russian) heritages just fine while being a minority. The fact that my neighborhood is full of people of French Canadian Catholics has not prevented me from celebrating my own heritage and culture, which is certainly in part influenced by my neighbors; if I have kids, their sense of heritage will be different from mine, as mine was different from my own parents. And, if I’m the only one in the neighborhood eating gefilte fish, or the only one making ebelskivers for breakfast, well, it doesn’t mean I’m loosing a battle, or that my culture is disappearing, it just means I don’t share those things in common with the people around me, and that’s ok. The point being, culture is much narrower and much deeper than black/white. To go on about it as if white culture (“civilization” . . . riiiight :rolleyes: ) is under siege makes you sound like a moron. ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/79 "2011-05-09T22:46:40Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > You’re a liar. > [@user\_hostile](#): > > “[Racial realist?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_realism)” > > Well, that’s mighty white of you, **Lonesome Polecat**. Got your ass by the balls on that one. You’re none too bright. What was that, 3 or 4 posts apart? Dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/80 "2011-05-09T23:01:49Z")
> [@user\_hostile](#): > > “[Racial realist?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_realism)” > > Well, that’s mighty white of you, **Lonesome Polecat**. Jesus, thanks for pointing out this one. Nice to know the racist catchphrase du jour. > [@Eonwe](#): > > I am able to celebrate my Italian, Danish, and Jewish (Polish/Russian) heritages just fine while being a minority. > > The point being, culture is much narrower and much deeper than black/white. To go on about it as if white culture (“civilization” . . . riiiight :rolleyes: ) is under siege makes you sound like a moron. Damn straight. We’re happy that there are so many Star Trek and Star Wars fans living peacefully around us. Despite the fact we’re Whovians. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717.md?page=5)