# Neo-Nazi leader in southwest killed by 10-year-old son **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 4, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717 "2011-05-04T17:25:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/81 "2011-05-09T23:58:58Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > [Story here.](http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0511/neo_nazi_dead.php3) > > If the father had gotten killed doing something stupid, I’d laugh it off. But he was murdered in his sleep by his own 10-year-old son. > > What kind of sick things do you have to do to your own kid to make him hate you that much? > > I feel kind of sick right now, and God, how sorry I feel for that kid. :mad: More liberal knee-jerk blame-the-victim-and-coddle-the-perp, eh? ---
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/82 "2011-05-10T02:33:09Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > Jesus, thanks for pointing out this one. Nice to know the racist catchphrase du jour. I, too, had never heard of the term until today. It seemed an odd expression, so I Googled. And lo, the light pierced the ignorance. And the darkness retreated a little further… ---
**Author:** ![Docta\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Docta\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Docta_G)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/83 "2011-05-10T03:00:44Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Which it certainly is. And I specifically said Anglo-American culture. It is foolish to believe that Anglo-American civilization can be sustained without a white majority. I don’t recall that I’ve ever used the term race traitor. I am, however, thoroughly disgusted with whites who think it’s alright for blacks, Hispanics and Asians to have strong racial identities and organize politically along racial lines, but horrifyingly evil for white people to do so. Meh. I’m a realist. I don’t share your dumbass hippie fantasy about making America a beautiful, diverse multicultural rainbow, so I must be a racist shitstain. That’s not the reaction of a reasonable, open minded person. That’s the reaction of a fanatic who’s furious with someone for questioning his religion or political ideology. > > And I have no use for Nazis. They’re totalitarians, and I have no use for totalitarians. Not even the ones who preach peace, love and brotherhood. > It was certainly unfair to me, as is your little tantrum here. You and Mhendo want to stone the heretic, that’s all. > > Now can we please restrict the thread to the topic at hand? Do you have a son? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/84 "2011-05-10T04:57:32Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > It is foolish to believe that Anglo-American civilization can be sustained without a white majority. Why? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/85 "2011-05-10T08:54:54Z")
> [@user\_hostile](#): > > “[Racial realist?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_realism)” That’s a new one to me too. Thanks for the heads up. Nailing your colors to the same mast as Nick Griffin and David Duke? Brave move, that. ---
**Author:** ![AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/86 "2011-05-10T09:00:16Z")
> [@](#): > > There are no doctrines more bizarrely stupid than multiculturalism and diversity. Really? So you believe that white culture is some sort of Stepford Wives utopia? Even in “white culture” there’s a HUGE HUGE variance depending on things like class and location and religion. There’s white trash/rednecks/ middle class/upper class “preppy” white. Why is learning about other cultures teh EVIL? Why is being diverse EVIL? Or would you rather we go back to the old days when being from the wrong church got you demonized? (a la the way it was in Belfast during the Troubles) It does seem like a lot of Stormfronters/neoNazis have racial issues and class issues completely and utterly mixed up. 80 years ago they would have been anti Catholic, or anti Italian/Irish b/c GUESS WHAT? Italian and Irish people were dealing with the EXACT same stuff that blacks do today! They were poor and lived in dangerous slums! :eek: They were thought to be inherently bad… Heck lots of white people have major issues themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/87 "2011-05-10T12:47:53Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > You can’t really be this stupid, but [here’s a Wikipedia article](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_American)that sums it fairly well. Why do progs try to pull this silly trick of pretending not to understand? He’s probably wondering whether Dagos and Micks are part of Anglo Culture, or if they’re still filthy papist immigrants who are ruining our country. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/88 "2011-05-10T13:20:26Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > He’s probably wondering whether Dagos and Micks are part of Anglo Culture, or if they’re still filthy papist immigrants who are ruining our country. Only the ones on the Supreme Court. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/89 "2011-05-10T13:35:16Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > I must be a racist shitstain. Quoted for truth. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/90 "2011-05-10T13:49:09Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > I don’t share your dumbass hippie fantasy about making America a beautiful, diverse multicultural rainbow, so I must be a racist shitstain. 😕 What “dumbass hippie fantasy”? American always **was** that. From long before independence. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/91 "2011-05-10T15:13:54Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > You can’t really be this stupid, but [here’s a Wikipedia article](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_American)that sums it fairly well. Why do progs try to pull this silly trick of pretending not to understand? According to that scholarly publication, the group “European-American” includes people as disparate as the Portuguese, Icelanders, Scottish, Maltese, Turks, Azerbaijani, Russians… the only things we (?) all have in common is a rather varied degree of melanin deficiency, a common origin from a rather widespread chunk of the Earth’s landmass, and a long history of waging bloody wars on each other. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/92 "2011-05-10T16:35:36Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > According to that scholarly publication, the group “European-American” includes people as disparate as the Portuguese, Icelanders, Scottish, Maltese, Turks, Azerbaijani, Russians… the only things we (?) all have in common is a rather varied degree of melanin deficiency, a common origin from a rather widespread chunk of the Earth’s landmass, and a long history of waging bloody wars on each other. And swimming! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/93 "2011-05-10T17:10:19Z")
First Lady of the United States Letitia Tyler. She died while her husband was in office. Her daughter, another Letitia, managed hostess duties. Granted, almost no one remembers her husband either, and she was an invalid. This is one of those OLD names that really sounds made up and/or “ethnic” - its really neither. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/94 "2011-05-10T17:13:57Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > I don’t share your dumbass hippie fantasy about making America a beautiful, diverse multicultural rainbow, so I must be a racist shitstain. > > 😕 What “dumbass hippie fantasy”? American always **was** that. From long before independence. Well, not really. Unless in a rainbow red owns blue, and violet and yellow aren’t allowed to vote. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/95 "2011-05-10T17:48:54Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Well, not really. Unless in a rainbow red owns blue, and violet and yellow aren’t allowed to vote. Nevertheless, America has **always** been “a beautiful, diverse multicultural rainbow.” Not always a **just** one, but always beautiful and diverse. ---
**Author:** ![random6x7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8baadc/32.png) [@random6x7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/random6x7)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/96 "2011-05-10T19:43:57Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > And yet universities offer “white studies” devoted to deconstructing white culture. White Studies is not actually some racist thing. It came out of critical race theory, and it looks at the cultural construction of “whiteness” as a social status. It’s kind of how gender studies looks at gender: it’s about what our culture means by “man” or “woman”, but it also acknowledges that those are, in themselves, diverse categories. It’s only about deconstructing white culture insofar as us Americans have proclaimed “white” a thing in opposition to black, Latino, Asian, etc. It’s really a complex social theory, and one that explicitly defines race as a cultural construct, and not at all something that supports your very sad views. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/97 "2011-05-10T19:55:20Z")
> [@random6x7](#): > > White Studies is not actually some racist thing. It came out of critical race theory, and it looks at the cultural construction of “whiteness” as a social status. It’s kind of how gender studies looks at gender: it’s about what our culture means by “man” or “woman”, but it also acknowledges that those are, in themselves, diverse categories. It’s only about deconstructing white culture insofar as us Americans have proclaimed “white” a thing in opposition to black, Latino, Asian, etc. It’s really a complex social theory, and one that explicitly defines race as a cultural construct, and not at all something that supports your very sad views. Exactly. There are even works that suggest that “whiteness” can apply differentially to groups that are generally considered “white,” e.g., the Irish in the nineteenth century. Historian Neil Foley, in his book _The White Scourge: Mexicans, Blacks, and Poor Whites in Texas Cotton Culture_, argues that poor whites were often seen as “non-white” in Texas during the early 20th century, because they were closely associated with Mexicans and blacks who occupied similar socio-economic places in society. “White studies” is not only NOT white supremacy, it is pretty explicitly about repudiating the notion of racial superiority based on skin color, and is also about investigating the complexity of the social and cultural idea of whiteness as something that is about more than the amount of melanin you happen to have.. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/98 "2011-05-10T20:27:13Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > [Story here.](http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0511/neo_nazi_dead.php3) > > If the father had gotten killed doing something stupid, I’d laugh it off. But he was murdered in his sleep by his own 10-year-old son. > > What kind of sick things do you have to do to your own kid to make him hate you that much? > > I feel kind of sick right now, and God, how sorry I feel for that kid. I am with you. It makes me feel sick too. This is a 10 year old kid whose life is totally screwed up now. I do not know what the father talk at home. It would be speculating for me to guess. But this kid is now a murderer. The emotional trauma has to be enormous. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/99 "2011-05-10T20:44:34Z")
It’s ridiculous IMO to say that there is not a predominantly white-Anglo culture in the US. Sure it isn’t equally prevalent everywhere, and sure white people participate in it to widely divergent degrees depending on all kinds of factors, but it clearly exists. Just because so many white Americans are too close to it to see it for what it is (as opposed to just being some sort of default normal) doesn’t mean it’s not there. The whole American myth of what America means, individual freedom, Mom, apple pie, baseball and church picnics, friendliness/politeness, the high value of independence, upward mobility, hard work, rock and roll, country music … I could go on and on and on. It’s a real thing. That doesn’t make Lonesome Polecat any less of a doofus. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/100 "2011-05-10T23:05:23Z")
> [@AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](#): > > Really? So you believe that white culture is some sort of Stepford Wives utopia? Even in “white culture” there’s a HUGE HUGE variance depending on things like class and location and religion. There’s white trash/rednecks/ middle class/upper class “preppy” white. > Why is learning about other cultures teh EVIL? Why is being diverse EVIL? > Or would you rather we go back to the old days when being from the wrong church got you demonized? (a la the way it was in Belfast during the Troubles) > It does seem like a lot of Stormfronters/neoNazis have racial issues and class issues completely and utterly mixed up. 80 years ago they would have been anti Catholic, or anti Italian/Irish b/c GUESS WHAT? Italian and Irish people were dealing with the EXACT same stuff that blacks do today! They were poor and lived in dangerous slums! :eek: They were thought to be inherently bad… Heck lots of white people have major issues themselves. > [@Blazing Saddles](#): > > Ok, We’ll take the niggers and the chinks, but we DON’T want the Irish! 😃 That just made me think of this line. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717.md?page=6)