# Neo-Nazi leader in southwest killed by 10-year-old son **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 4, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717 "2011-05-04T17:25:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/101 "2011-05-11T00:04:03Z")
:rolleyes: Look, why are we going round and round over what is or is not “white culture”? I mean, we all know there’s only one [authoritative source.](http://www.amazon.com/History-White-People-America/dp/0399511938) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2011, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/102 "2011-05-11T05:13:12Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > :rolleyes: Look, why are we going round and round over what is or is not “white culture”? I mean, we all know there’s only one [authoritative source.](http://www.amazon.com/History-White-People-America/dp/0399511938) I’ve got a [better one](http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/). 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/103 "2011-05-12T19:15:24Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Huh. See, I’m white, lived my entire life in the U.S., and I have no idea what this is. Do you have to request an application? :mad: **No,** sir, you need to pay up on your back dues! ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/104 "2011-05-12T21:48:10Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Huh. See, I’m white, lived my entire life in the U.S., and I have no idea what this is. You have no idea of what it is because you have not lived your entire life in the USA contrary to your claim, and in fact was born in Kenya contrary to your birth certificate, which means that you are both a foreigner and a token white rather than a Real White[sup]_TM_[/sup]. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/105 "2011-05-12T23:30:41Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > You have no idea of what it is because you have not lived your entire life in the USA True. I mean, not yet. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/106 "2011-05-13T03:50:57Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > It is foolish to believe that Anglo-American civilization can be sustained without a white majority. > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Why? No, seriously. Why? ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/107 "2011-05-13T09:31:00Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > True. I mean, not yet. You hope. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/108 "2011-05-13T13:49:13Z")
Articles from a reporter who was with the family the day prior to the killing day: [http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/13/us/13hall.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/13/us/13hall.html) [http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/us/11nazi.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/us/11nazi.html) ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/109 "2011-05-13T15:19:53Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I’ve got a [better one](http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/). 😉 Or you could just watch any Wes Anderson flick. "The Royal Tenenbaums is “The Color Purple” of white culture. ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/110 "2011-05-13T15:26:09Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Articles from a reporter who was with the family the day prior to the killing day: > [http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/13/us/13hall.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/13/us/13hall.html) > [http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/us/11nazi.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/us/11nazi.html) A quote from the second article: > [@](#): > > Mr. Hall also bragged that he was teaching his son to use night vision equipment and shoot a gun. Creepy. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/111 "2011-05-13T15:27:17Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Articles from a reporter who was with the family the day prior to the killing day: > [http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/13/us/13hall.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/13/us/13hall.html) > [@](#): > > Nowhere was the complex collision of hate and happiness more evident than inside the Hall family. The news of Mr. Hall’s murder came just a day after I spent an afternoon at the Halls’ home for a meeting of the N.S.M. It had seemed — as much as such a meeting can seem — ordinary: there were Easter decorations on the door, and children’s toys spread all about. A Barbie in a purple dress lay on the kitchen table, next to a spool of string that Mr. Hall and his 10-year-old son had been using early that day to try to fly a kite in the backyard. > > The boy sat next to me during the meeting. At one point, Mr. Hall mentioned that the boy had destroyed a cabinet in the house, but didn’t seem too annoyed, joking that the cabinet “was Mexican-made.” The boy moved over to sit next to his mother on the couch as she fed the family’s 6-week-old from a bottle. > > The boy, a sandy-haired scooter fan who liked to ride in the backyard, was to all appearances an average grade schooler. His demeanor was quiet and inquisitive. He was home-schooled and had struggled at times, being called hyperactive and sometimes violent. But last fall, the boy was evaluated by a specialist from a local charter school who found that the Hall residence was a “warm, friendly and clean environment,” dotted with “crafts, experiments and games.” > > The boy, the specialist concluded, “continues to grow at a constant rate.” Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/112 "2011-05-13T15:28:22Z")
> [@Duke](#): > > Creepy. You’re just jealous. Seriously. Every male in America – yes, even Dennis Kucinich – secretly wishes he had had the kind of Dad who would teach his son to shoot and use night-vision equipment. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/113 "2011-05-13T16:19:00Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Interesting. Reading that article makes one wonder just how much of their true selves they were showing when the reporter (or for that matter any “outsider”) was around. My guess, not very much. I also wonder just what their home school curriculum was like - what did they learn as far as science and history? What type of instructional materials did they use? ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/114 "2011-05-13T17:50:40Z")
> [@Duke](#): > > A quote from the second article: > > Quote: > Mr. Hall also bragged that he was teaching his son to use night vision equipment and shoot a gun. > > Creepy. Guess he should have thought that one through a bit more. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/115 "2011-05-13T17:57:49Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > Guess he should have thought that one through a bit more. Reminds me of a bit by Christopher Titus:[ > [@](#): > > “Wanna hear the funniest part of that story? (When my mom, you know, shoots and kills a man.) When they moved to Idaho they had two acres of land, and he was the one who’d taken my mom out and taught her how to shoot. What a dumb ass! Here’s a tip for you, guys: if you’re gonna beat her don’t teach her to fire the weapon!” ]([http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y\_-\_mUnAUE#t=3m57s](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y_-_mUnAUE#t=3m57s)) ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717/116 "2011-05-19T01:50:30Z")
Kid explains why he shot his dad: [http://gawker.com/5803339/ten+year+old-explains-why-he-shot-his-neo+nazi-dad](http://gawker.com/5803339/ten+year+old-explains-why-he-shot-his-neo+nazi-dad) From the police report: > [@](#): > > [Redacted]… admitted during the interview that he was tired of his dad hitting him and his mom. [He] said he thought his dad was cheating on his mom and thought he might have to choose which person he would live with. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neo-nazi-leader-in-southwest-killed-by-10-year-old-son/580717.md?page=5)