# Neocons in Hysterics Over Trump Candidacy **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 4, 2016, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neocons-in-hysterics-over-trump-candidacy/747885 "2016-03-04T01:20:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2016, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neocons-in-hysterics-over-trump-candidacy/747885/41 "2016-03-05T21:11:22Z")
if visionaries like Boot and Kagan are with Hillary, then I for SURE am with her. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2016, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neocons-in-hysterics-over-trump-candidacy/747885/42 "2016-03-05T21:42:36Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So, the British Army is trapped in Malaysia by the Japanese, WWII. Surrounded, cut off, starving and out of everything. That’s how the commander described the situation in his officers meeting, announcing his intention to surrender. > > “Cheer up, sir, couid be worse…” > > “Could be worse? We’re sick, starving and surrendering to the bloody Japanese, how could it be worse!” > > “Well, it could be raining, sir.” Obviously, that was shamelessly stolen from _Young Frankenstein_. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2016, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neocons-in-hysterics-over-trump-candidacy/747885/43 "2016-03-05T22:40:00Z")
> [@Esox\_Lucius](#): > > There’s a universe of difference between Sanders and Trump. Lumping them together as lightning rods of dissatisfaction with the status quo is a mistake. > > Disenchanted _liberals_ are so fed up with cronyism, plutocracy and oligarchy that they’re throwing their support behind a democratic socialist who’s pledging economic equality. > > For disenchanted conservatives, there _isn’t enough_ cronyism, plutocracy and oligarchy, hence their enthusiastic support for a billionaire plutocrat/oligarch. They _want_ a fascist strongman to unilaterally implement their fearful, racist agenda and to impose America’s will on the world. The GOP has been teasing them with it and tiptoeing around the edges for years to court their votes but hasn’t delivered for them (“Thanks, democracy.”:mad:). Now that they finally have someone outright promising it, they’re all in. Yes–thank you. Well said. (At least the foolishness of labelling the success of Sanders and of Trump as a unified phenomenon does offer valuable insight into the IQ of those doing the labelling.) As for the neocons being in hysterics: they realize that Trump is absolutely unreliable as a promoter of all the profit-making activities that GOP presidents usually (and reliably) enable. The defense industry can’t count on Trump sending us into Iran or North Korea or other arenas that would engender big contracts, as Trump feels no allegiance to support the profits of that industry. The big corporations can’t count on Trump to protect them from unions, as the only unions he will care about quashing are those who affect his own limited business interests. The social conservatives can’t count on Trump to keep the wimminfolk in line, as he doesn’t really feel any passion about outlawing birth control or abortion. (And it’s doubtful that his heart is really in the white-supremacist movement either, grateful though he is for their votes. He’s certain that he is superior to every dark-skinned person, but only because he’s certain that he’s superior to every person.) As President, Trump would expend little energy on neocon goals such as American domination of the globe. Trump believes he _already_ dominates the globe. He would be bored by the expenditure of energy necessary to actually working on that goal. He would be bored by anything other than having crowds cheer him and world leaders appear impressed by him. The neocons and conservatives in general have no leverage with Trump. He’d do what he enjoyed and nothing of what they want him to do. He’s their worst nightmare, because not only would they get nothing of what they want–they’d also be deprived of an effective focus for the hatred of their voters, too many of whom are enthralled by the Peter-Griffin-like Trump’s ability to do whatever he pleases while facing no consequences. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2016, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neocons-in-hysterics-over-trump-candidacy/747885/44 "2016-03-05T23:07:25Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > … enthralled by the Peter-Griffin-like Trump’s ability to do whatever he pleases while facing no consequences. Arrgh, now I am seeing the Republican Establishment as a six-foot-tall chicken. I say, Foghorn Preibus. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2016, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neocons-in-hysterics-over-trump-candidacy/747885/45 "2016-03-05T23:14:16Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Arrgh, now I am seeing the Republican Establishment as a six-foot-tall chicken. I say, Foghorn Preibus. And their fight will go on just as (seemingly) endlessly, no doubt. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2016, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neocons-in-hysterics-over-trump-candidacy/747885/46 "2016-03-05T23:22:48Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Where can I get my “I’m With Joe!” lawn sign? Ironically, there is this one garage in Eau Claire that has a bunch of them stacked in the back. They are older than me. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2016, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neocons-in-hysterics-over-trump-candidacy/747885/47 "2016-03-06T00:36:17Z")
> [@Hyperelastic](#): > > The Dick Cheney wing of the GOP has gone into total core meltdown over Trump. Listen to waterboarding advocate Max Boot: > > [I would sooner vote for Josef Stalin than I would vote for Donald Trump](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/03/us/politics/anti-donald-trump-republicans-call-for-a-third-party-option.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0) > > I think the crazy bastard really means it. … I agree overall with the thrust of this thread. But ref Max Boot, I think he would sooner vote for Joe Stalin for Prez over almost every candidate in every election we’ve had in the last 75 years. Stalin may have been labeled a Communist. But what he mostly was was a totalitarian. Exactly like Max Boot. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neocons-in-hysterics-over-trump-candidacy/747885.md?page=2)