# Netflix CEO doubles down on "transphobia in media isn't harmful" **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 14, 2021, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494 "2021-10-14T15:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494/101 "2021-10-19T09:02:24Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Is there any reasonable take where it was Liberals who drove her to suicide? Certainly, this week’s _The Economist._ ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494/102 "2021-10-19T17:29:49Z")
I’m not a subscriber. Would you mind quoting where they said that liberals “screamed and drove a woman to her death”? Her family disagrees but maybe you know better. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494/103 "2021-10-19T17:38:55Z")
It turns out that one can subscribe for free so I could read the article. Here is the part where they mention Dormer. “And the leftist Pharisees who disagree with that should reflect on Ms Dorman. When Mr Chappelle was lambasted as a trans phobe after his previous Netflix show, she tweeted that he was nothing of the kind and her friend. She was hounded in turn; then jumped to her death off a towerblock. Can that story—so vindicating of Mr Chappelle and damning of his accusers—be true? Her grieving family confirmed it this week. So who is the victim now?” Sorry, I don’t buy it. Their take shows no cause and effect and no proof nor does it say that hounding came from the liberal community at large. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494/104 "2021-10-19T20:54:42Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Sorry, I don’t buy it. Good point. The family knows nothing. The press lies. Your gut feelings are the only source of truth. How are you different from a Trump election denier exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494/105 "2021-10-19T20:59:49Z")
Any passage that starts with “And the leftist Pharisees” forfeits all credibility and claim of objectivity. And a family is an absolutely crap source on the motivations behind someone’s suicide. For all we know they are desperately trying to absolve themselves from responsibility. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494/106 "2021-10-19T21:04:19Z")
Blame the victims family much? There was a time people could still feel shame for saying things like that. In any case, you ought to consider the certainty of your beliefs. In my experience, certainty is the second-most dangerous thing in the world. “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494/107 "2021-10-19T21:04:21Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > The family knows nothing. The family has explicitly said that they think Dorman killed herself due to her PTSD related to childhood trauma: > [@](#): > > ‘She was bringing up our childhood … she didn’t feel it was fair that our father didn’t lose out on raising children, even though he was the one causing all of our PTSD now,’ [Dorman’s sister, Brandy] told [DailyMail.com](http://DailyMail.com). 'She was very sad and that’s why I truly believe that’s what she meant by ‘she failed’. > > ‘She feels she failed at getting past our trauma.’ ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494/108 "2021-10-19T21:14:07Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > Blame the victims family much? There was a time people could still feel shame for saying things like that. _The victim’s family_ is blaming the victim’s family for her suicide. Go cluck your tongue at Brandy Dorman. She’s the one whose putting the blame on their father. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494/109 "2021-10-19T21:16:22Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Go cluck your tongue at Brandy Dorman. She seems to be going through a difficult time. It is not for me to cluck at her. It is none of my business. Giving her a hard time could lead to unintended consequences. I find it better to be civil and listen to people. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494/110 "2021-10-19T21:18:32Z")
Where exactly the fuck did I talk about my feelings, gut or otherwise? Did you pay any attention at all to what her family actually said? ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494/111 "2021-10-19T21:19:33Z")
Try to calm down. The press reports indicate she was hounded to her death. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494/112 "2021-10-19T21:23:32Z")
Actually they don’t. The press reports (all one of them you’ve cited) indicate she received criticism for standing up for Chappelle and then committed suicide shortly later. It might be hard for you to understand but in intelligent analysis we often consider cause and effect, of which none has been demonstrated by anything you’ve said or referenced. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494/113 "2021-10-19T21:31:27Z")
I find it wonderful that you can wash your hands so quickly and confidently. Most people would at least consider the possibility that they might have contributed to this tragedy. As I said, certainly is the second-most dangerous thing in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494/114 "2021-10-19T21:31:40Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > The press reports indicate she was hounded to her death. No, editorialists with axes to grind have claimed she was hounded to death. The only person in an actual position to have any insight into why she might have killed herself has pointed to an entirely different explanation. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494/115 "2021-10-19T21:33:11Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > Try to calm down. > > The press reports indicate she was hounded to her death. I’m not angry. I’m disgusted. That’s twice now that you’ve unsuccessfully tried to tell me how I’m feeling. And the “press reports”, whatever the fuck that’s supposed to mean indicate nothing of the kind. For whatever reason you continue to ignore what her actual family thought which is the opposite of your claim. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494/116 "2021-10-19T21:34:07Z")
I am sorry you do not understand the term “press reports.” Could you please stop cursing? ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494/117 "2021-10-19T21:34:27Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > I find it wonderful that you can wash your hands so quickly and confidently. Most people would at least consider the possibility that they might have contributed to this tragedy. As I said, certainly is the second-most dangerous thing in the world. I mean I have nothing to wash my hands of–I was unaware of the initial Chappelle trans controversy (the one involving his previous special) until months after it occurred and Dorman was already dead by then, so I certainly played no part in “hounding her.” What I object to is your claiming an obvious link between a public controversy she was involved in and her suicide, without any evidence to back it up, and when called upon it you make some stupid ass emotion-laden arguments about how we shouldn’t speak with certainty. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494/118 "2021-10-19T21:37:47Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > I am sorry you do not understand the term “press reports.” I think more concerning is your inability to tell the difference between news reporting and editorializing. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494/119 "2021-10-19T21:39:14Z")
Truly I find your complete certainty to be very alarming. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494/120 "2021-10-19T21:39:43Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > I am sorry you do not understand the term “press reports.” Could you please stop cursing? I am conveying my disgust by using foul language. I know what “press reports” means. You have posted a single opinion piece. Do better. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflix-ceo-doubles-down-on-transphobia-in-media-isnt-harmful/952494.md?page=7)