# Netflix's The Crown **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, netflix\ **Created:** [November 8, 2016, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflixs-the-crown/771042 "2016-11-08T03:23:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflixs-the-crown/771042/41 "2016-12-07T07:51:08Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Why they couldn’t just marry in another country and live off his income seemed a better option to me. [In real life](http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38032464), she wouldn’t have even needed his income. She would have been allowed to keep her income from the civil list, which actually would have been increased on her marriage to Townsend. ---
**Author:** ![toast\_pakora](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3ec8ea/32.png) [@toast\_pakora](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toast_pakora)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2016, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflixs-the-crown/771042/42 "2016-12-07T09:36:43Z")
The drama of the last episode was completely fabricated. The govt/Eden were on board, the Queen did NOT have to make that decision. So what other bs have we seen? ---
**Author:** ![NVME702-redux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a183cd/32.png) [@NVME702-redux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NVME702-redux)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflixs-the-crown/771042/43 "2017-01-12T14:29:35Z")
Just started watching and I have a question. In the burial scene at Westminster- they break a stick thing and throw it into the burial plot. What is that and why would they do that? Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflixs-the-crown/771042/44 "2017-01-12T15:49:29Z")
IIRC it’s to signify the end of a king’s reign. Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2017, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflixs-the-crown/771042/45 "2017-01-12T16:38:45Z")
> [@NVME702-redux](#): > > Just started watching and I have a question. In the burial scene at Westminster- they break a stick thing and throw it into the burial plot. What is that and why would they do that? > > Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk [From here:](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_funerals_in_the_United_Kingdom) > [@](#): > > As the body is placed in the vault, the Lord Chamberlain breaks his white stave of office to symbolize the end of his period of service to the late monarch.[5] ---
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2020, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflixs-the-crown/771042/46 "2020-01-01T07:56:32Z")
Is anyone still watching this? I raced through the first two seasons and just loved Claire Foy’s portrayal, but now the show has changed and I’m just not digging it at all. It was pretty intense in the last episode about Aberfan. I just don’t like the way they changed the actors but I suppose it had to be done. I just don’t care for any of them. I went in to this blind, thinking it was a documentary mini-series. I had no idea so much of it is completely untrue. I kept thinking “surely that’s not true” and sure enough it wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Quintas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/48db29/32.png) [@Quintas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quintas)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2020, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflixs-the-crown/771042/47 "2020-01-01T14:48:33Z")
> [@Rushgeekgirl](#): > > I had no idea so much of it is completely untrue. I kept thinking “surely that’s not true” and sure enough it wasn’t. Which parts do you mean? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflixs-the-crown/771042/48 "2020-01-02T21:20:15Z")
I’m not Rushgeekgirl but the episode on Mountbatten’s participation in a coup caused me to rush to Wikipedia. The article seemed unconvinced that such a thing ever happened. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflixs-the-crown/771042/49 "2020-01-02T21:38:03Z")
> [@Rushgeekgirl](#): > > Is anyone still watching this? I raced through the first two seasons and just loved Claire Foy’s portrayal, but now the show has changed and I’m just not digging it at all. It was pretty intense in the last episode about Aberfan. I just don’t like the way they changed the actors but I suppose it had to be done. I just don’t care for any of them. > > I went in to this blind, thinking it was a documentary mini-series. I had no idea so much of it is completely untrue. I kept thinking “surely that’s not true” and sure enough it wasn’t. My wife watches it religiously… I see bits and pieces. What I’m most curious about is the way they’ve portrayed Charles in the latest season. I mean, they have him played as a nearly complete wimp- kind of whiny and ineffectual. Is that actually true, or is that artistic license? And was he done as wrong as they show? It’s not at all surprising that his marriage came unglued, if all that’s true. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflixs-the-crown/771042/50 "2020-01-02T22:04:48Z")
It’s amazing how much colder Olivia Coleman’s Elizabeth is compared to Claire Foy’s. Whereas the Foy Queen would delicately voice concerns and put her foot down in slow motion, the Coleman Queen seems to be much more forceful about asserting herself and indeed seems to enjoy making others squirm. I’m only as far as the Welsh episode. Ye Gods, was she really pissed that Charles had the nerve to say the Welsh should be respected? I think both the Philips so far have been brilliant, though I guess I give a slight nod to Tobias Menzies over Matt Smith. Looking forward to Season 4. Of course, what is said in private is all speculation. Still I wonder if they had any inside sources provide or verify any of the events. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflixs-the-crown/771042/51 "2020-01-02T22:32:37Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > It’s amazing how much colder Olivia Coleman’s Elizabeth is compared to Claire Foy’s. Whereas the Foy Queen would delicately voice concerns and put her foot down in slow motion, the Coleman Queen seems to be much more forceful about asserting herself and indeed seems to enjoy making others squirm. Yes. And I really like Foy’s portrayal much better, tbh. Maybe it’s direction, or just the way Colman plays the role, but Colman’s QE2 is far less sympathetic. Foy’s portrayal made it seem like the Queen had a heart underneath some of her coldness. Colman’s hardly ever does. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflixs-the-crown/771042/52 "2020-01-03T00:15:09Z")
I think Colman was a step down from Claire Foy’s performance, but Tobias Menzies and the elder Lannister as Lord Montbatten are improvements. It’s well known that Elizabeth doesn’t think Charles is King material. I also remember that when Diana came along she easily outshone Charles in the charisma department, and was far more popular than he was. That led to some serious conflicts within the royal family as I recall. But it’s always hard to separate the truth from gossip and palace intrigue. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflixs-the-crown/771042/53 "2020-01-03T13:58:07Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I think Colman was a step down from Claire Foy’s performance, but Tobias Menzies and the elder Lannister as Lord Montbatten are improvements. > > It’s well known that Elizabeth doesn’t think Charles is King material. I also remember that when Diana came along she easily outshone Charles in the charisma department, and was far more popular than he was. That led to some serious conflicts within the royal family as I recall. But it’s always hard to separate the truth from gossip and palace intrigue. I meant that they portray him as a nearly ineffectual twenty-something- nebbishy and verging on whiny. And they totally do him wrong “for the sake of the crown” or something along those lines. It’s not surprising at all if that stuff is true, that his subsequent relationships turned out like they did. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflixs-the-crown/771042/54 "2020-01-03T14:20:59Z")
I can’t make up my mind about which Margaret (Vanessa Kirby and Helena Bonham Carter) I prefer. I thought Kirby was a riot in that speech she gave in the Queen’s absence and the chemistry between her and Townsend was strong. Carter did okay in the White House party but I thought less believable than Kirby. Still, in other scenes I think Carter was just as good. For the Queen Mother, (Victoria Hamilton and Marion Bailey), I can’t see a lot of difference. To be fair, Hamilton’s role has been meatier than Bailey’s so far. I think they both did well. Excellent casting, at least on the British side. The JFK and LBJ castings much less so, particularly JFK. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflixs-the-crown/771042/55 "2020-01-03T15:12:57Z")
Vanessa Kirby all the way, she made me want to smoke a cigarette after watching. I remember Princess Margaret in the news back in the 70’s. In 1975ish I chose Margaret for my confirmation name, but changed it at the last minute to Margot confusing the hell out of the old priest who kept asking me to repeat it, lol I did drop out of ccd and did not know my saints very well. Guess there was a french Q margot who was a licentious slut - ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflixs-the-crown/771042/56 "2020-01-04T00:57:30Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I’m not Rushgeekgirl but the episode on Mountbatten’s participation in a coup caused me to rush to Wikipedia. The article seemed unconvinced that such a thing ever happened. IRL Lord Mountbatten was approached about a leading a coup, but he walked out of that lunch and had nothing further to do with it. > [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Yes. And I really like Foy’s portrayal much better, tbh. Maybe it’s direction, or just the way Colman plays the role, but Colman’s QE2 is far less sympathetic. Foy’s portrayal made it seem like the Queen had a heart underneath some of her coldness. Colman’s hardly ever does. Agreed. Colman’s Queen Elizabeth II is kind of a bitch, especially to Prince Charles. I did like how it backfired when the family tried to pull that “united front” confrontation crap on Princess Anne. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2020, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflixs-the-crown/771042/57 "2020-11-19T15:10:57Z")
> **[The dark side of 'The Crown' emerges this season | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/17/opinions/the-crown-season-four-thomas/index.html)** > > More than any yet, writes Holly Thomas, season four of "The Crown" demonstrates how effective the palace PR machine has been since the 1980s to turn around the public fortunes of a group of people who may not be exactly like their on-screen... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netflixs-the-crown/771042.md?page=2)