# Netscape Reborn! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 17, 2004, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netscape-reborn/275249 "2004-11-17T13:53:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Oat1957](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Oat1957](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oat1957)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2004, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netscape-reborn/275249/21 "2004-11-19T03:13:16Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > I’m surprised you can find a copy of Netscape 2.02. Where did you get it? [Here](http://wp.netscape.com/download/archive/client_index1.html#2.02en) Navigator 2.0 was the first browser I ever used. It was better than IE then and Mozilla still is. MS bundled IE and folks who didn’t know used it. Now it’s so full of holes and bloated I’m surprised people still use it. ---
**Author:** ![sinical\_brit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/48db29/32.png) [@sinical\_brit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinical_brit)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2004, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netscape-reborn/275249/22 "2004-11-19T13:59:30Z")
After using Opera for about a year, i just went over to Firefox and i like it a lot. Quicker to load, blocks popups etc, looks good. Better than ie and opera IMHO. Sin ---
**Author:** ![Nightwatch\_Trailer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9dc877/32.png) [@Nightwatch\_Trailer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nightwatch_Trailer)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2004, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netscape-reborn/275249/23 "2004-11-19T20:09:26Z")
I just performed an informal test to see how much unwanted “stuff” IE can put on your computer, and I didn’t want to start a new thread for it, so I might as well put it here. Procedure: I. I ran Ad-Aware twice to make sure my computer was completely clean. The second test came up with no results. II. Using [this](http://www.ypass.net/dictionary) online dictionary, I found and wrote down five random words. III. I entered IE and went to Google. I searched for the first random word, and on the Google results page I clicked on the first link in the list. Once at that web page, I clicked on one more link (trying to choose at random). Then I went back to the Google page and clicked on the fifth result, and one link inside that web page. Then again with the tenth result. IV. I repeated this for each of the five random words. Five words times three links each is fifteen primary links, plus one link inside of each of the primary links equals thirty links altogether. V. I ran Ad-Aware again. The results: six tracking cookies (data miners) from my brief jaunt into IE. I don’t know a lot about spyware and such, but I thought people might be interested in my results, so I’ll just put them out there. The words, by the way, were \*\*free-range, disobedience, cape, malady, \*\*and **come across**. (Yeah, I know two of those aren’t single words, but no big.) ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2004, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netscape-reborn/275249/24 "2004-11-19T20:44:50Z")
> [@Oat1957](#): > > Navigator 2.0 was the first browser I ever used. My first was Mosaic. Luckily, pop-up ads hadn’t been invented yet. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2004, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netscape-reborn/275249/25 "2004-11-19T21:37:37Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > Well, no. Those are far from the only reasons to hate AOL. > > AOL is hated for real reasons relating to the speed of the service (glacial), the censorship AOL imposes on the non-AOL pages you’re allowed to access, the intense frustration involved with cancelling any AOL subscription, the complete disregard AOL has for email standards (MIME, for example, is not in the AOL vocabulary), and the general lack of services AOL offers compared to real ISPs. That, and the immense amount of spam AOL users can expect. So much ignorance…so little time. 1. AOL is hated for real reasons relating to the speed of the service (glacial) AOL for broadband. Even their dialup was par for a dialup. 1. the censorship AOL imposes on the non-AOL pages you’re allowed to access. You, as the primary screen name, decide the amount of censorship on each screen name. Not AOL. Do you really think you can’t access porn sites through AOL? 3)the complete disregard AOL has for email standards (MIME, for example, is not in the AOL vocabulary) Who the hell needs MIME any more? 1. the intense frustration involved with cancelling any AOL subscription This can be true. But iit’s a great way to get some free months too. 1. and the general lack of services AOL offers compared to real ISPs. AOL is not an ISP…it’s an OSP. 1. That, and the immense amount of spam AOL users can expect. Check out how much spam Bill Gates gets. AOL now has pretty decent spam controls. When did you last use AOL? ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2004, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netscape-reborn/275249/26 "2004-11-19T23:17:43Z")
AOL x.x takes over all controls of your TCP/IP. Microsoft IE does not. So without AOL installed, I can hop from one ISP to another with ease. But the Fox has jumped over these dogs. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2004, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netscape-reborn/275249/27 "2004-11-20T08:04:53Z")
All true gamers loathe AOL. Lag and throughput are generally worse than other ISPs, which is a frequent cause of death in online games. Also, online enabled consoles can be a bear to set up, because you can’t install the AOL crapware that their servers expect to see on login. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2004, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netscape-reborn/275249/28 "2004-11-20T21:05:18Z")
**Reeder** , MIME is a recognized Internet standard. It’s a way to send email that isn’t just ASCII text, and so it’s required by anyone who does real work on the Internet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/netscape-reborn/275249.md?page=1)