# Neutrinos break speed of light **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 22, 2011, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267 "2011-09-22T23:06:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2011, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267/61 "2011-09-25T12:29:37Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > And the ticket camera sure won’t work. If you know how fast they’re going, you don’t know what jurisdiction they’re in 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2011, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267/62 "2011-09-25T13:07:40Z")
Part of the problem is that, at that speed, even red lights are blueshifted. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2011, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267/63 "2011-09-25T13:33:40Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > And what the fine is for traveling 187,000 miles per second in a 186,000 miles per second speed zone? And Og help them if workers were present. ---
**Author:** ![MostlyClueless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@MostlyClueless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MostlyClueless)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2011, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267/64 "2011-09-25T13:50:43Z")
[@flyosity](http://twitter.com/#!/flyosity): “We don’t allow faster than light neutrinos in here” said the bartender. A neutrino walks into a bar. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2011, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267/65 "2011-09-25T14:00:13Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > And Og help them if workers were present. Especially if they rear end a Monopole (because there can be only one!). Of course it would be over for the Monopole before it knew it. Hmmm, how DOES that whole redshift thing work if you are going faster than c? And, that location joke was pretty good 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2011, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267/66 "2011-09-25T15:42:35Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > And what the fine is for traveling 187,000 miles per second in a 186,000 miles per second speed zone? In this country, we obey the law of Relativity! ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2011, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267/67 "2011-09-25T15:45:39Z")
In Soviet Russia, Relativity obeys YOU! (Yeah I know it makes no sense, but I was channeling Yakov Smirnov) ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2012, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267/68 "2012-02-23T15:42:22Z")
[Update](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17139635) on this, a couple of experimental errors have been found, although the scope of them has not yet been determined. As the more sober posters pointed out, the excitement was very premature, given that the deviation from the expected result was tiny, and there had been no independent verification of the result. It’s still worth looking into, but it’s looking increasingly likely the results were erroneous. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267/69 "2012-03-16T20:57:31Z")
Another [update](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17364682). > [@](#): > > Rumours have circulated since the Opera result was first announced that the team was not unified in its decision to announce their findings so quickly, and Dr Centro suggested that researchers outside the team were also suspicious. > > “I didn’t trust the result right from the beginning - the way it was produced, the way it was managed,” he said. Boy, scientists can get catty. First everyone was impressed with the first team’s thoroughness, now everyone’s surprised that bunch of lazy miscreants got any results. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2012, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267/70 "2012-03-16T21:43:17Z")
I was near certain that this would turn out to be some kind of mistake. I have to admit that a small part of me is disappointed though. It certainly would have been interesting to see modern physics having to be completely rewritten! ---
**Author:** ![Ken001](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/43a26b/32.png) [@Ken001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ken001)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267/71 "2012-03-17T08:21:57Z")
Must say I’m disappointed too. However I console myself knowing the Universe is expanding faster than the speed of light and we haven’t explained that. For those who wonder what I mean, the edge of the Universe is outside the 13.7 billion year age we currently calculate. There are galaxies expanding away from us so fast that we will never see their light. Think of it as a black balloon outside the visible balloon of the known Universe. Probably about 16.5 billion lightyears away. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267/72 "2012-03-17T08:34:47Z")
> [@Ken001](#): > > Must say I’m disappointed too. However I console myself knowing the Universe is expanding faster than the speed of light and we haven’t explained that. For those who wonder what I mean, the edge of the Universe is outside the 13.7 billion year age we currently calculate. That doesn’t violate any laws of physics though. The universe can expand as fast as it likes, it’s the stuff moving within the universe that needs to obey the speed limit. ---
**Author:** ![Ken001](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/43a26b/32.png) [@Ken001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ken001)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267/73 "2012-03-17T08:44:49Z")
You do realise that Richard Pearse invented the aeroplane slightly before the Wright Brothers? > **[Richard Pearse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Pearse)** > > Richard William Pearse (3 December 1877 – 29 July 1953) was a New Zealand farmer and inventor who performed pioneering aviation experiments. Witnesses interviewed many years afterward describe observing Pearse flying and landing a powered heavier-than-air machine on 31 March 1903, nine months before the Wright brothers flew.: 21–30  Ambiguous statements made by Pearse himself make it difficult to date the aviation experiments with certainty. In a newspaper interview in 1909, with respect to i... But back to the topic: the Universe has rules and expanding faster than one of its rule - C - is a deep puzzle indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267/74 "2012-03-17T08:59:49Z")
> [@MostlyClueless](#): > > [@flyosity](http://twitter.com/#!/flyosity): “We don’t allow faster than light neutrinos in here” said the bartender. A neutrino walks into a bar. (_al la_ Barney Gumble) “A neutrino is thrown out of a bar by the bartender. A second later, the same neutrino is seen behind the bartender.” ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267/75 "2012-03-17T14:34:47Z")
> [@Ken001](#): > > Must say I’m disappointed too. However I console myself knowing the Universe is expanding faster than the speed of light and we haven’t explained that. For those who wonder what I mean, the edge of the Universe is outside the 13.7 billion year age we currently calculate. There are galaxies expanding away from us so fast that we will never see their light. Think of it as a black balloon outside the visible balloon of the known Universe. Probably about 16.5 billion lightyears away. Well, the universe came into existence all at once, so it actually makes sense that some things would have come into existence already farther apart than light could travel in the time it’s had since creation. Also, the laws of physics didn’t lock themselves into place until after the big bang, so all bets are off what the universe was capable of right before that. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267/76 "2012-03-17T19:10:49Z")
> [@Ken001](#): > > You do realise that Richard Pearse invented the aeroplane slightly before the Wright Brothers? > > [Richard Pearse - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Pearse) Yes I do :). ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2012, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267/77 "2012-03-18T02:35:34Z")
> [@Ken001](#): > > You do realise that Richard Pearse invented the aeroplane slightly before the Wright Brothers? > > [Richard Pearse - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Pearse) > [@From Wiki](#): > > The documentary evidence to support such a claim remains open to interpretation Yeah, right. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2012, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267/78 "2012-03-18T04:35:25Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Yeah, right. I wouldn’t go as far as to say he flew before the Wright brothers, I just think it’s an interesting piece of NZ aviation history, hence the user name. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2012, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267/79 "2012-03-18T17:30:03Z")
> [@Richard\_Pearse](#): > > I wouldn’t go as far as to say he flew before the Wright brothers, I just think it’s an interesting piece of NZ aviation history, hence the user name. It is indeed interesting. Sorry if I was rude. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2012, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267/80 "2012-03-18T21:13:17Z")
It’s ok, I didn’t see it as rude. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/neutrinos-break-speed-of-light/597267.md?page=5)