# Nevada Caucuses Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 12, 2020, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822 "2020-02-12T16:18:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Socsback](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@Socsback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Socsback)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822/81 "2020-02-23T04:34:03Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Yup. > > See: Chuck Todd, host of “Meet the Press” as well as an MSNBC anchor [comparing Sanders’ supporters to “brown shirts”](https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/sanders-campaign-erupts-on-chuck-todd-for-citing-quote-comparing-bernie-bros-to-nazis/) (aka Nazis). That was about ten days ago. > > If you want more I can give you loads more. Oh, I’m not denying that some commentators don’t favor Bernie. I’m just saying that I’ve seen some that do. I’m not convinced that there’s a “bias”, per se. I think everyone just has an opinion, kinda like here. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822/82 "2020-02-23T04:40:18Z")
> [@Socsback](#): > > Oh, I’m not denying that some commentators don’t favor Bernie. I’m just saying that I’ve seen some that do. I’m not convinced that there’s a “bias”, per se. I think everyone just has an opinion, kinda like here. Cite? (Major media…not some fringe blogger) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822/83 "2020-02-23T05:00:39Z")
Will the next debate have all of the other candidates going hammer and tongs against Bernie? Will he survive it? If the answer is yes to both questions, will Individual 1 have any more to attack Bernie with than the Democrats will come at him with? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822/84 "2020-02-23T05:03:06Z")
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**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822/85 "2020-02-23T05:12:57Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Will the next debate have all of the other candidates going hammer and tongs against Bernie? Will he survive it? If the answer is yes to both questions, will Individual 1 have any more to attack Bernie with than the Democrats will come at him with? As the front runner the smart money is everyone will jump on that person. The last debate was a little weird because the DNC changed its rules to let Bloomberg in and he was a super easy target. But, in general, the strategy is to lambaste the front runner. Makes sense, that is the person you have to beat. Second place doesn’t count for anything in this race. It does not matter who they are or what they are on about…you go after them. ---
**Author:** ![Socsback](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@Socsback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Socsback)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822/86 "2020-02-23T05:15:48Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Cite? (Major media…not some fringe blogger) Cite what? Analysts who favor Bernie? Krystal Ball comes to mind. Joe Rogan? Bernie’s campaign has actually accused Fox News of being “fair” to him (wonder why?). I won’t even argue that most of the media pundits like Bernie. To me, it’s more a case of them being concerned about what he’s doing to the party, as opposed to any “conspiracy”. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822/87 "2020-02-23T05:54:16Z")
> [@Socsback](#): > > Cite what? Analysts who favor Bernie? Yeah. Major media. I have no doubt you can find one or two but the [vast majority of them hate Sanders.](https://www.gq.com/story/mainstream-media-vs-bernie-sanders) ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822/88 "2020-02-23T07:00:53Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Yup. > > See: Chuck Todd, host of “Meet the Press” as well as an MSNBC anchor [comparing Sanders’ supporters to “brown shirts”](https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/sanders-campaign-erupts-on-chuck-todd-for-citing-quote-comparing-bernie-bros-to-nazis/) (aka Nazis). That was about ten days ago. > > I’d wager Chuck Todd is a very smart guy and knows better but he went there anyway. Why? Consider who holds his contract. > > If you want more I can give you loads more. The article that Todd was quoting: > [@Jonathan Last](#): > > But as a functional matter, the end result is the same: An army of people (or bots or Russians or whoever) hounding opponents, enforcing discipline, quashing any sort of dissent—and trying to preempt anyone else from taking sides against the Dear Leader. > > Whether or not Bernie is personally coordinating this effort makes absolutely no difference to the facts on the ground. > > No other candidate has anything like this sort of digital brownshirt brigade. I mean, except for Donald Trump. > > The question no one is asking is this: > > What if you can’t win the presidency without an online mob? > > What if we now live in a world where having a bullying, agro social media army running around popping anyone who sticks their head up is either an important ingredient for, or a critical marker of, success? And your post was a prime example of his complaint. Chuck Todd never compared Sanders supporters to Nazis. Jonathan Last did that. Todd (though absolutely imbecilic in his decision to include that phrasing) was using that column to express exactly how there IS a group of Sanders supporters out there that will bash and trash anyone that criticizes Bernie. Instead of “Yeah, those guys are assholes”, we get “Chuck Todd called us Nazis”. It’s Deplorables 2.0, and you’re happily rolling around in the mud. As for your cite, please define what you consider major media. Given that **Socsback** has already provided a couple that you ignored in your response. It’s easier to find what you require when the goalpost is firmly planted. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822/89 "2020-02-23T07:11:22Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Do you think a caucus is why Sanders won? Sanders certainly benefited from caucuses in 2016, they definitely benefit candidates with fantatical supporters, Ron Paul showed that on the Republican side in the past. Sanders would have won a Nevada primary, but it wouldn’t have been by as large of a margin, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822/90 "2020-02-23T07:25:40Z")
So Steyer had invested big trying to make his splash here. His current under 4% is less than a ripple. Does he drop out before or after South Carolina? Klobuchar was not expected to do well but her so far 4.5% is underperforming even those minimal expectations. She will definitely hang in through South Carolina but failure to demonstrate ANY support of any diversity there as well and I gotta think that’s it. Buttigieg doing well enough to keep up the fight. Biden happy to get a distant second here, but a loss in South Carolina has likely ends his campaign and hard to see how anyone will fund him even if his win there is narrow - as it very likely is as best case. Warren pretty much hitting her minimal expectations here and riding some decent funding after her last debate. She’ll hang in trough Super Tuesday anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822/91 "2020-02-23T07:43:37Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > The article that Todd was quoting: > > And your post was a prime example of his complaint. Chuck Todd never compared Sanders supporters to Nazis. Jonathan Last did that. Todd (though absolutely imbecilic in his decision to include that phrasing) was using that column to express exactly how there IS a group of Sanders supporters out there that will bash and trash anyone that criticizes Bernie. Instead of “Yeah, those guys are assholes”, we get “Chuck Todd called us Nazis”. It’s Deplorables 2.0, and you’re happily rolling around in the mud. > > As for your cite, please define what you consider major media. Given that **Socsback** has already provided a couple that you ignored in your response. It’s easier to find what you require when the goalpost is firmly planted. Wow…ok… Chuck Todd quoted someone who wrote something on “The Bulwark.” This is on MSNBC which is known as a “liberal” counter to FOX. Basically FOX but liberal. Their anchor quoted something from “The Bulwark.” > [@](#): > > The Bulwark is an American conservative[1][2] news and opinion website founded by conservative commentators Charlie Sykes and Bill Kristol. > > SOURCE: [The Bulwark (website) - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bulwark_(website)) Jonathan Last is the Executive Editor of that site. So tell me why “liberal” MSNBC anchor Chuck Todd is quoting a distinctly conservative rag and then using it as cover because hey…he’s just quoting someone else…right? Also, while you are at it, look up “gullible.” ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822/92 "2020-02-23T08:11:03Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Klobuchar was not expected to do well but her so far 4.5% is underperforming even those minimal expectations. She will definitely hang in through South Carolina but failure to demonstrate ANY support of any diversity there as well and I gotta think that’s it. I doubt we lose any of the last debate’s candidates between SC and Super Tuesday three days later. Big chunks of the Super Tuesday votes will have already been cast thanks to early voting. The campaigns are already engaged there. The possibility of a contested convention is real meaning every delegate won may matter. There just isn’t a lot of motivation to get out in that small window. Klobuchar even looks like she is on pace to win at least one state on Super Tuesday. Home field advantage matters. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822/93 "2020-02-23T09:13:52Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Six companies own most (by far…90%) [media distribution in the US.](https://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6) > > They are not liberal nor do those companies care one whit about liberal policies. > > They very much want Republican tax cuts over Sanders’ taxing them. Sounds like conspiracy theory to me. Even with “Reconciliation” it will take 50 Senators to pass tax hikes; a moderate is more likely to get hikes passed than a leftist is! NBC newsman who oppose Sanders don’t do so because they want Trump to win in November. _They oppose Sanders because they want Trump to lose in November._ ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822/94 "2020-02-23T09:26:22Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Sounds like conspiracy theory to me. Even with “Reconciliation” it will take 50 Senators to pass tax hikes; a moderate is more likely to get hikes passed than a leftist is! > > NBC newsman who oppose Sanders don’t do so because they want Trump to win in November. _They oppose Sanders because they want Trump to lose in November._ Why would a moderate be more likely to get a tax hike through? Also, [all polls suggest Sanders beats Trump.](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-6250.html) The only one who does better (barely) is Biden. Considering how poorly Biden has done in recent elections I would expect that to change. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822/95 "2020-02-23T14:25:23Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Why would a moderate be more likely to get a tax hike through? > > Also, [all polls suggest Sanders beats Trump.](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-6250.html) The only one who does better (barely) is Biden. Considering how poorly Biden has done in recent elections I would expect that to change. Your 1st question has been answered by me several times in other threads. Keep up. As for polls: I want to see the results when the question is _“While at the barber-shop you saw FoxNews explain that Sanders is an extreme socialist who will bankrupt the U.S. Would you vote for the socialist or for Donald Trump?”_ The Putin-GOP axis is coddling Sanders now because they think, rightly or wrongly, that he’ll be easy to defeat. After he’s the nominee, the gloves come off. The attacks they make will make the smearings of Kerry and Hillary look like lovers’ pillow talk. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822/96 "2020-02-23T14:34:22Z")
You sound as tho you think you’ve already lost, **septimus**. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822/97 "2020-02-23T14:35:27Z")
Goodness. What would a world where Bernie Sanders got smeared a lot look like?? ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822/98 "2020-02-23T15:06:07Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > So Steyer had invested big trying to make his splash here. His current under 4% is less than a ripple. Does he drop out before or after South Carolina? > > Klobuchar was not expected to do well but her so far 4.5% is underperforming even those minimal expectations. She will definitely hang in through South Carolina but failure to demonstrate ANY support of any diversity there as well and I gotta think that’s it. > > Buttigieg doing well enough to keep up the fight. > > Biden happy to get a distant second here, but a loss in South Carolina has likely ends his campaign and hard to see how anyone will fund him even if his win there is narrow - as it very likely is as best case. > > Warren pretty much hitting her minimal expectations here and riding some decent funding after her last debate. She’ll hang in trough Super Tuesday anyway. Warren and Buttigieg have funding problems, Warren had to get a $2million line of credit just recently. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822/99 "2020-02-23T15:10:30Z")
Warren _had_ funding problems, but the debate brought her enough money to last a week or two more at least. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2020, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822/100 "2020-02-23T15:23:57Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > So Steyer had invested big trying to make his splash here. His current under 4% is less than a ripple. Does he drop out before or after South Carolina? > > Klobuchar was not expected to do well but her so far 4.5% is underperforming even those minimal expectations. She will definitely hang in through South Carolina but failure to demonstrate ANY support of any diversity there as well and I gotta think that’s it. > > Buttigieg doing well enough to keep up the fight. > > Biden happy to get a distant second here, but a loss in South Carolina has likely ends his campaign and hard to see how anyone will fund him even if his win there is narrow - as it very likely is as best case. > > Warren pretty much hitting her minimal expectations here and riding some decent funding after her last debate. She’ll hang in trough Super Tuesday anyway. Make no mistake about it: this was a knockout punch. There is no way that any of his competitors can win the nomination other than to hope he fails to clinch the nomination before the convention. Bernie didn’t just win; he crushed his opposition. He absolutely stomped them into the dirt. For anyone not named Bloomberg, last night was all she wrote. Voters in South Carolina will look at Biden’s very distant second place finish and get the picture: Biden can’t win. Buttigieg and Klobuchar need to sober up: They will not build the kind of coalition Sanders has. Biden had that coalition once, but it has disintegrated. As for Warren, Bernie could do what was once unthinkable: beat her in her own state. The only one who can stop the Bernie express is Bloomberg, who can only hope to contain him and deny him pre-convention delegate victory, but that’s looking less and less likely after last night. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-caucuses-discussion/847822.md?page=6)