# Nevada Senate 2010: Reid vs. Angle **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 29, 2010, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515 "2010-07-29T22:32:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2010, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/261 "2010-10-31T13:42:28Z")
> [@Enuma\_Elish](#): > > … > Elections are very rarely about facts. They are about perceptions and feelings. Your states Senatorial election could go either way. The reasons for such a close race are beyond your ken because you, like Harry Reid, are incapable of understanding the ways in which you are insulting to other people, very much like the way Herry Reid is incapable of understanding the ways in which he insults other people. Whereas you, presumably, are conscious of the ways you insult other people, and are doing so deliberately here? I’m not going to issue a warning here, but I do recommend that you dial it back. **twickster** , 2010 Elections moderator ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2010, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/262 "2010-10-31T16:30:34Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > But you said there were multiple bills he forced through which he did not let people read. What other bills, besides HCR, did he do this for? That is standard operating procedure. The Repubs jammed lots of bills through during Bush without permitting the senate or the house to read them. Why is it wrong for Reid, if he did it, and right for the Repubs. The bills do not suddenly appear. They are thrashed over in committee with both sides represented. The party members are kept up with the procedings. They do not appear on the floor in a puff of smoke. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2010, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/263 "2010-10-31T18:20:53Z")
> [@Enuma\_Elish](#): > > Sigh. > Harry Reid was a leader in forcing through a bill which takes basic freedoms away from the American people. He doesn’t understand how insulting it is to a very large swath of Americans to be told:“You HAVE TO purchase something because WE tell you that you have to. You do not have the right to not purchase it” This time it is insurance. What will it be the next time? At this point it would behoove you to admit that you were talking about only one BILL, and there are no other examples of other bills, and you typed the extra “S” in BILLS in error. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2010, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/264 "2010-10-31T18:31:33Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > That’s the implication, though, isn’t it? Having a powerful senator gets you pork in your district and favorable treatment compared to other regions. Which is great, if you only give a shit about yourself and your area - that’s how our system works, the guy who brings the most shit into his district wins elections, so it’s a race to see who can rob from the national treasury most effectively and give back the least. > > Yucca mountain is a good example - instead of having a centralized, safe, away from everyone, responsible repository of nuclear waste, we instead have that very same waste stored all over the fucking place all over the country in areas which are not as safe or secure. Having a powerful senator caters to that sort of NIMBYism, it hurts the rest of the country for a very small perceived (not even real) benefit. > > Gonzo is implying hey, elect the powerful dude, you’ll rob the national treasury way more effectively than with the newcomer! And I’m saying not everyone is selfish like that. Only the ones living in this world. It is not rob. Most programs are needed and do good. Every single state election now is stressing what programs the politician can bring to their home state. There is a serious unemployment problem. They need work and they need infrastructure updating. That is real work, not theft . But all states want some of it. The winners will likely be the ones with the most powerful and connected politicians. That is not a crazy woman like Angle. She will be avoided like the plague by serious pols if she actually wins. She will bring no prestige ,no programs and no elevation of political discourse. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2010, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/265 "2010-10-31T18:48:31Z")
Ya know what I thought was funny? Newt Gingrich was in Las Vegas to stump for Sharron Angle on 21 October. They were at the JW Marriott Center, a fancy-schmancy resort in Summerlin, and the theme of the rally was Jobs Here, Jobs Now I shit you not. [Pics here](http://www.lasvegassun.com/photos/galleries/2010/oct/21/gingrich_angle_rally/). Apparently Newt didn’t see that [Angle thinks that people don’t want jobs because unemployment is such a plum position, and that senator’s shouldn’t trouble themselves with silly things like helping industry come to the state in order to create jobs for citizens](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK-YtM52aPEMs). And **gonzo** you just muddied the waters there with post #262, instead of clearing them, IMO. You say the Repubs also pushed bills through without letting them be read, then you in the next breath say that all bills are in committee so long that everyone has a chance to know what’s in them. If everyone knows what’s in them, what is there to bitch about no one reading them? And no, you don’t have to clarify; frankly it’s way off-topic and I don’t think an explanation will do any good. Just pointing out a bit of, ah, fuzzy logic there. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2010, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/266 "2010-10-31T20:14:30Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Ya know what I thought was funny? Newt Gingrich was in Las Vegas to stump for Sharron Angle on 21 October. They were at the JW Marriott Center, a fancy-schmancy resort in Summerlin, and the theme of the rally was > > Jobs Here, Jobs Now > > I shit you not. [Pics here](http://www.lasvegassun.com/photos/galleries/2010/oct/21/gingrich_angle_rally/). > > Apparently Newt didn’t see that [Angle thinks that people don’t want jobs because unemployment is such a plum position, and that senator’s shouldn’t trouble themselves with silly things like helping industry come to the state in order to create jobs for citizens](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK-YtM52aPEMs). > > And **gonzo** you just muddied the waters there with post #262, instead of clearing them, IMO. You say the Repubs also pushed bills through without letting them be read, then you in the next breath say that all bills are in committee so long that everyone has a chance to know what’s in them. If everyone knows what’s in them, what is there to bitch about no one reading them? > > And no, you don’t have to clarify; frankly it’s way off-topic and I don’t think an explanation will do any good. Just pointing out a bit of, ah, fuzzy logic there. All the bills are thrashed over by people in committee. That is why the healthcare bill is an abortion. The Repubs got plenty of changes they wanted in order to get it out of committee. But not all Repubs are on the committee. Other politicians get some ,but not all the info because they are busy with their own committees. The bills are in a constant state of flux. Then they print it up and offer it on the floor, once they agree. The idea that everyone knows whats in them is not quite correct. But no pol is totally blank on a bill. Or they should not be. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2010, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/267 "2010-10-31T20:23:16Z")
[Find and Contact Your Legislator | FiscalNote](http://www.congress.org/congressorg/directory/committees.tt?commid=sfina2&pcommid=sfina) Here are the members of the committee. They were not gagged. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/268 "2010-11-02T01:12:47Z")
I got a flier in the mail today urging people to “send a message that Washington will never forget” by voting “None Of The Above” for senator. The ad is funded by America’s Future Fund. Can anyone guess who’s side they’re on? Oh, and anyone who thinks they aren’t shady, just check out their website: [http://www.americasfuturefund.com](http://www.americasfuturefund.com) That’s the address listed on the flier. I’ll be happy to scan it and post if anyone doubts me. Another case of the Republicans trying their damnedest to subvert the democratic process. Why do they hate democracy and freedom so much? ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/269 "2010-11-02T01:18:55Z")
None of the Above is a legitimate choice on the Nevada ballot. I expect that it will help Reid slightly, as I think more Republicans who don’t support Angle but don’t want to vote for Reid will select it. If anything, it’s actually more logically consistent than the signs around here that only say “Vote the bums out.” I agree that it’s probably more single rich Republicans behind it. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/270 "2010-11-02T14:41:06Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I got a flier in the mail today urging people to “send a message that Washington will never forget” by voting “None Of The Above” for senator. > > The ad is funded by America’s Future Fund. Can anyone guess who’s side they’re on? > > Oh, and anyone who thinks they aren’t shady, just check out their website: > > [http://www.americasfuturefund.com](http://www.americasfuturefund.com) > > That’s the address listed on the flier. I’ll be happy to scan it and post if anyone doubts me. > > Another case of the Republicans trying their damnedest to subvert the democratic process. Why do they hate democracy and freedom so much? That website is already down for “rebranding”. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/271 "2010-11-02T15:50:41Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > That website is already down for “rebranding”. It’s not “down”. It was never up. That’s why I know it’s a shady front organization. They just purchased the domain name (what’s that cost nowadays? $15?) and sent out a bunch of fliers urging people to waste their franchise on a vote that is meaningless. See, in Nevada, we do indeed have NOTA on the ballot, but it counts for nothing: whichever candidate has the most votes wins, regardless of how many people vote NOTA. If Sharron Angle got 2 votes, Harry Reid got 1 vote, and 4 million people voted NOTA, Angle wins. The SCOTUS really fucked the country with the Citizens United decision. Now there’s no accountability at all in our politics. Anyone can spend money advocating without having to reveal who they are, which means no one can ever make any connections (or examine the disconnect) between the ads and the person/people behind them. This flier is just one example. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/272 "2010-11-02T16:09:18Z")
Angle has a good chance to win. How can that be? Stupidity, lies, craziness, and right wing goofiness, and people are going to vote for her? What has this nation become? She should be a joke, yet some want her for U.S. Senator. A newsman tried to talk to her yesterday. She said she would talk after she is elected Senator. She is not qualified for dog catcher, yet she could be voted into an important and powerful position. What has this country become? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/273 "2010-11-02T17:10:44Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Angle has a good chance to win. How can that be? Stupidity, lies, craziness, and right wing goofiness, and people are going to vote for her? What has this nation become? She should be a joke, yet some want her for U.S. Senator. A newsman tried to talk to her yesterday. She said she would talk after she is elected Senator. She is not qualified for dog catcher, yet she could be voted into an important and powerful position. What has this country become? A country of people with a short attention span, short memories and few critical thinking skills. “Believe” has been outselling “Think” for a long, long time. And it’s not just America, sadly. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2010, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/274 "2010-11-02T18:27:07Z")
I live in Dearborn and I am glad that she told me about my living under Sharia Law. I did not know that. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/275 "2010-11-03T02:42:57Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > See, in Nevada, we do indeed have NOTA on the ballot, but it counts for nothing: whichever candidate has the most votes wins, regardless of how many people vote NOTA. > > If Sharron Angle got 2 votes, Harry Reid got 1 vote, and 4 million people voted NOTA, Angle wins. You sure about this? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/276 "2010-11-03T02:47:47Z")
Yeah, it’s true. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/277 "2010-11-03T03:19:20Z")
This is also true: [Angle blames the media for her not talking to them](http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/11/sharron_angle_we_stiff-armed_m.html). Srsly. > [@](#): > > A perfect coda to the Nevada Senate race: In a radio interview this morning, Sharron Angle blamed the media for her campaign’s decision to shut out reporters, slamming the press as “unprofessional” and adding that she thinks candidates should teach the media a “lesson” whenever they have the “opportunity.” > [@Sharron Angle](#): > > It isn’t that we don’t want to talk to them. It is that we would like to have objective questioning and true professional reporting. That is really all we are asking from them. Compare that with this quote from June (link in post #8 of this thread; thanks **Biggirl** ) > [@Sharron Angle](#): > > Well, no, no, we wanted them to ask the questions we want to answer so that they report the news the way we want it to be reported and when I get on a show and I say send me money to [SharronAngle.com](http://SharronAngle.com), so that your listeners will know that if they want to support me they need to go to [SharronAngle.com](http://SharronAngle.com). She’s a fucking liar. A cheat. A lunatic. And most likely, our next United States Senator. Good job, Nevada; good job. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/278 "2010-11-03T03:35:38Z")
I’m not up to date with the races. CNN has Reid leading 52% to 44% with 52% of the vote in. Did they count Reid-heavy districts first? Nate Silver had Angle at an 82% chance yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/279 "2010-11-03T04:02:12Z")
Ross Miller announced at about 8pm that he was withholding release of any election results because some districts in northern Nevada were late. ETA: Yeah, I’m starting to see stories now about early returns heavily favoring Reid. Which only leads me to wonder which of the loons who voted for Angle will take to “second amendment remedies” if she loses. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2010, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/280 "2010-11-03T04:08:22Z")
Most of the early reports are from Clark County so I guess it’s not that surprising that it favors Reid. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515.md?page=15)