# Nevada Senate 2010: Reid vs. Angle **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 29, 2010, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515 "2010-07-29T22:32:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2010, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/101 "2010-09-25T00:33:58Z")
[Brawl erupts between Reid, Angle supporters at forum.](http://www.lvrj.com/news/fight-erupts-at-reid--angle-election-forum-103685344.html) Interesting times. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/102 "2010-10-05T00:06:17Z")
Angle [talks trash about the GOP](http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hy4nv8Esvj3roqI4XxtjipJEZYeQD9IL4M3O0?docId=D9IL4M3O0): > [@](#): > > At one point she laments that the GOP leadership has “lost their standards, they’ve lost their principles.” She refers derisively to “that good old boy thing” and depicts herself as an underdog David fighting Goliath — the constricting machinery of the national party. She tells Ashjian she wants the GOP leadership “to leave me alone,” confident she knows how to defeat Reid. > > Ashjian says that since 2001, he has considered Democrats and the GOP interchangeable. > > “They are all thieves.” Angle adds, “It’s really been since 1991.” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/103 "2010-10-05T00:15:43Z")
Sharron Angle caught on tape with the upstart (and perhaps unsane) Tea Party wannabe Scott Ashjian, describing why he should throw in the towel and throw his support her way. I guess she was trying to portray herself as the real outsider, even tho she’s flying the Republican flag. [ > [@Sharron Angle](#): > > The Republicans have lost their standards, they’ve lost their principles … really that’s why the machine in the Republican Party is fighting against me. They have never really gone along with lower taxes and less government. ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_CAMPAIGN\_DIGGING\_DIRT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-10-04-19-02-03](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CAMPAIGN_DIGGING_DIRT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-10-04-19-02-03)) > [@](#): > > Reid’s campaign used that to claim “Angle will say or do anything to get elected.” ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/104 "2010-10-05T12:53:24Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Sharron Angle caught on tape with the upstart (and perhaps unsane) Tea Party wannabe Scott Ashjian, describing why he should throw in the towel and throw his support her way. I guess she was trying to portray herself as the real outsider, even tho she’s flying the Republican flag. [ > > > [@Sharron Angle](#): > > > > The Republicans have lost their standards, they’ve lost their principles … really that’s why the machine in the Republican Party is fighting against me. They have never really gone along with lower taxes and less government. > > ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_CAMPAIGN\_DIGGING\_DIRT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-10-04-19-02-03](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CAMPAIGN_DIGGING_DIRT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-10-04-19-02-03)) > > > [@](#): > > > > Reid’s campaign used that to claim “Angle will say or do anything to get elected.” Jeez, that’s almost the only quote of hers that I’ve heard that ISN’T insane. Reid probably says the same thing a dozen times a day. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/105 "2010-10-05T21:09:42Z")
This whole thing is so ludicrous and bizarre, it may take until the debate for all the fallout to hit the ground. [ > [@](#): > > The chairman of the Tea Party of Nevada resigned Tuesday after a recording was made public capturing Republican Sharron Angle badmouthing GOP leaders during a meeting with the shadowy group’s U.S. Senate candidate. ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_NEVADA\_SENATE\_TEA\_PARTY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-10-05-16-07-46](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEVADA_SENATE_TEA_PARTY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-10-05-16-07-46)) Syd James, the former Teabagger, has announced his support for Angle’s candidacy. Oh, and he’s _real_ butthurt, too. > [@Syd James](#): > > I gave the Angle campaign my word that this was to be a private meeting and not tape recorded. I feel my personal integrity and honor was violated when Scott taped what was to be a private conversation and then made it public. > > I can understand why the Angle campaign feels that they were double-crossed. The Angle campaign trusted me and that trust was violated. When told about the situation, Washington insiders played it off as not a big deal, but their words tell me that they are apparently unaware of what Mrs. Angle is all about: > [@Joyce Burnett](#): > > There is always going to be a certain give and take. That’s how the political system works. One can only assume that Ms. Burnett is unaware of Sharron Angle’s past voting record in the Nevada state legislature, or her commitment to adhere to those same standards should she win the US Senate election. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2010, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/106 "2010-10-05T21:17:01Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Brawl erupts between Reid, Angle supporters at forum.](http://www.lvrj.com/news/fight-erupts-at-reid--angle-election-forum-103685344.html) > > Interesting times. To be fair, it seems that an Angle supporter was being an ass, and it was him that threw the first couple of punches. The LV Sun ran a whole page of pictures, but I can’t find them on their website. I did find tho, that Sharron Angle has her own take on it: [ > [@Sharron Angle](#): > > Well I think this is a play right out of Saul Alinksky’s rule for radicals. What happens if you don’t want the news to report on the forum and the debate between the two contestants, you try to make a bigger news story. And the news story is the brawl, and so that’s what they did. They staged a fight, that’s the way that I felt it was going. There were two women that were actually looking for a fight, trying to get that to be the top news story and they succeeded. ]([Angle says women 'staged the fight' to detract from supposed news at non-debate - Las Vegas Sun News](http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/ralstons-flash/2010/sep/24/angle-says-women-staged-fight-detract-supposed-new/)) There’s an audio clip on that site, too, if you want to hear her say it for yourself. That’s right, she now blames the fight on a long-dead politico and a desire to “cover-up” what really happened at the “debate” (where only 1 side was actually there). To his credit, the host sort of tries to correct her, noting that published accounts tell of the man throwing 2 punches first. > [@Jerry Doyle](#): > > I don’t want to sound macho but when I read the story, the woman said the man hit me first…I looked at the pictures and there’s a physicality that that doesn’t match up with the supposed reality that they were trying to sell out there. But since when do logic, facts, evidence or even reality interfere with what Mrs. Angle (and others of her ilk) “just knows” is right? ---
**Author:** ![Ichbin\_Dubist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/51bf81/32.png) [@Ichbin\_Dubist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichbin_Dubist)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2010, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/107 "2010-10-06T03:51:03Z")
Saul Alinsky? Wait until she gets her hands on a copy of _Steal This Book._ ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/108 "2010-10-07T23:17:25Z")
[Story here](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NEVADA_SENATE_ANGLE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-10-07-19-04-16). > [@Sharron Angle](#): > > I keep hearing about Muslims wanting to take over the United States … on a TV program just last night, I saw that they are taking over a city in Michigan and the residents of the city, they want them out. They want them out. So, I want to hear your thoughts about that. She went on to explain further: > [@Sharron Angle](#): > > we’re talking about a militant terrorist situation, which I believe it isn’t a widespread thing, but it is enough that we need to address, and we have been addressing it. Wow! which US cities have been taken over by Muslim terrorists? > [@Sharron Angle](#): > > My thoughts are these, first of all, Dearborn, Michigan, and Frankford, Texas are on American soil, and under constitutional law. Not Sharia law. And I don’t know how that happened in the United States," she said. "It seems to me there is something fundamentally wrong with allowing a foreign system of law to even take hold in any municipality or government situation in our United States. No one is sure where she pulled Frankford, TX out of, but Dearborn does have a thriving Muslim community (and lots of good restaurants as a result). This lady is seriously misinformed and delusional. I can’t wait for her to be our next Senator from Nevada! Anyway, she says some other crazy shit in the article, but if I quoted it all, what would the next person have to make fun of? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/109 "2010-10-08T01:27:21Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > > [@Sharron Angle](#): > > > > I keep hearing about Muslims wanting to take over the United States … on a TV program just last night, I saw that they are taking over a city in Michigan and the residents of the city, they want them out. They want them out. So, I want to hear your thoughts about that. In fairness (to her), this quote was the questioner, and not Angle. Also in fairness (to you), her response to the planted question (What? She pulled Dearborn and Frankford (Frankford, Texas? WTF?) our of her ass? I doubt it.) was as un-American as she could get. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/110 "2010-10-08T01:33:43Z")
My bad. I was just in such a frenzy to get relevant stuff into my post, I screwed that one up. Good catch and thanks for pointing it out. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/111 "2010-10-08T01:44:54Z")
I missed my own edit window, then hit Cancel and so I’m typing all this for a second time. Angle is already on record as having said she doesn’t want to deal with any “unfriendly” media. As a result, you can rest assured that any public appearance she has made has been carefully controlled theatre. She’s on record as saying she only will talk to media already sympathetic to her views, so that she can “control the message” the media puts out. That means that she’s not going to be asked anything that she isn’t already (supposedly) prepared to answer. The fact that her (prepared) answers are so banal, so xenophobic, so limited in their grasp of reality just makes them all the more entertaining to read, in a horrible schadenfreude kind of way. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/112 "2010-10-08T02:04:52Z")
I dunno, the fact that she still has a pretty good chance of winning makes her much less enjoyable to watch than someone like O’Donnell. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/113 "2010-10-08T02:06:43Z")
Nevada GOP bigshot Bill Raggio just endorsed Reid. [http://www.rgj.com/article/20101007/NEWS/101007041/1321/NEWS/Republican-leader-Raggio-backs-Harry-Reid--reluctantly](http://www.rgj.com/article/20101007/NEWS/101007041/1321/NEWS/Republican-leader-Raggio-backs-Harry-Reid--reluctantly) He doesn’t seem like a fan of Reid, so some of his remarks on Angle’s competency are telling. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/114 "2010-10-08T03:24:07Z")
It turns out that Frankford, Texas doesn’t even exist, at least not anymore. It seems that it was annexed into Dallas… _back in 1975_! 35 years ago! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/115 "2010-10-08T08:37:01Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > It turns out that Frankford, Texas doesn’t even exist, at least not anymore. It seems that it was annexed into Dallas… _back in 1975_! 35 years ago! Oh sweet Jesus! The Muslims have got time machines and have retroactively wiped Frankford off the map! Is no one safe from these monsters? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/116 "2010-10-08T18:21:42Z")
The fact that Dearborn has an Irish-Catholic mayor, Polish-Catholic council president, three honkey-protestant judges and at most one Muslim on the city council, it’s amazing that Sharia law was able to be successfully implemented. And now I must go look up to see what Sharia law is, as apparently my town is now under the control of it. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/117 "2010-10-08T18:41:28Z")
The first law of Sharia Law is… you guessed it…that you don’t talk about Sharia Law. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/118 "2010-10-08T22:19:56Z")
[“Top” Nevada GOP lawmaker endorses Harry Reid](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/07/AR2010100706014.html?wpisrc=nl_pmpolitics) > [@](#): > > Veteran state Sen. Bill Raggio, one of Nevada’s most influential Republicans over the last four decades, says he’s reluctantly endorsing Democratic U.S. Sen. Harry Reid’s re-election campaign. … > > …branding her as a “totally ineffective” four-term state lawmaker. > > …cited what he called Angle’s inability and unwillingness to work with others even within her own party, and her extreme positions on Social Security and other issues. > > Raggio also criticized Angle for badmouthing GOP leaders in a recent secretly taped conversation. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/119 "2010-10-08T23:42:19Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > The fact that Dearborn has an Irish-Catholic mayor, Polish-Catholic council president, three honkey-protestant judges and at most one Muslim on the city council, it’s amazing that Sharia law was able to be successfully implemented. > > And now I must go look up to see what Sharia law is, as apparently my town is now under the control of it. Don’t bother. It means that, starting tomorrow, you have to go to work wearing nothing but a jockstrap and sunglasses. Oh, and I’m in charge of collecting your, um, tithes. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/120 "2010-10-09T03:08:37Z")
I live in Dearborn and I apparently have missed it. I wonder is a guy on a camel will pull me over for running a stop sign? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515.md?page=7)