# Nevada Senate 2010: Reid vs. Angle **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 29, 2010, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515 "2010-07-29T22:32:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2010, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/161 "2010-10-16T13:58:04Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > > [@SenorBeef](#): > > > > How often does a state vary more than, say, 7% along democrat/republican lines compared to its average? You say “sane state” but I suspect the only states in which Reid’s seat would be secure would be states where it isn’t ever close anyway. > > > > I’m not trying to defend Angle of course, I’m just saying people are retardedly partisan and it barely matters who the actual candidate is. > > I wish I could argue with that. She is a nutcase and will get more than 40 percent of the vote. How is that possible? Nevadans have to be smarter than that. Don’t they have a sense of embarrassment? Have you ever been to Nevada? There’s no sense of shame here. I mean, we’re a state that’s pretty much built on the fact that we legally fleece visitors of their money. We shamelessly offer free $2 cocktails in return for people gambling away hundreds or even thousands of dollars. We charge people $100 a ticket to watch gymnasts in costumes do somersaults to music. We offer the slogan “What happens here stays here”, but just see if the casino’s debt collectors can’t find you no matter where you call home. Our entire state economy and reason for being is based on the pretty lies we sell to the rest of the [del]country[/del] world, and you ask if there’s any shame or embarrassment in Nevada? :dubious: ETA: 40%? I think you should prolly revise that figure upwards. I’m getting a feeling that you’re talking about the next senator from Nevada, ya know. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2010, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/162 "2010-10-16T14:30:38Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > The fact that Dearborn has an Irish-Catholic mayor, Polish-Catholic council president, three honkey-protestant judges and at most one Muslim on the city council, it’s amazing that Sharia law was able to be successfully implemented. > > And now I must go look up to see what Sharia law is, as apparently my town is now under the control of it. Yeah, I’m waiting for the inevitable Daily Show segment. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/163 "2010-10-17T04:39:21Z")
Why is there a consensus that Reid is not doing a good job? What exactly is it that Democrats wish he would have done differently? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/164 "2010-10-17T05:03:29Z")
Reid is a very dull speaker. He does not inspire with his speeches. He kind of puts you to sleep. The fact that he got the leadership slot indicates he can play the political game well though. I would find it hard to vote off a powerful senator and replace him with a dingbat . ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/165 "2010-10-17T05:20:25Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > Why is there a consensus that Reid is not doing a good job? What exactly is it that Democrats wish he would have done differently? We kind of wish he’d actually acted as if he had a filibuster-breaking majority in the Senate, because HE DID for a while, at least. Threaten Bayh’s and Nelson’s and Lincoln’s and Landrieu’s DSCC money unless they vote party line. Twist some arms. Threaten some people’s committee positions. If you really believe in your legislative agenda, fight for it! ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/166 "2010-10-17T15:15:54Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > > [@Mosier](#): > > > > Why is there a consensus that Reid is not doing a good job? What exactly is it that Democrats wish he would have done differently? > > We kind of wish he’d actually acted as if he had a filibuster-breaking majority in the Senate, because HE DID for a while, at least. Threaten Bayh’s and Nelson’s and Lincoln’s and Landrieu’s DSCC money unless they vote party line. Twist some arms. Threaten some people’s committee positions. If you really believe in your legislative agenda, fight for it! You mean, as “Majority Leader” he should have tried to Lead the Majority? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/167 "2010-10-17T22:11:00Z")
Reid, Obama and the Dems thought they could govern more from the center. They knew a lot of Repubs agreed with lots of their proposals. They did not think the Repubs would have a blanket filibuster that would hold together this long. I am not sure they realize what they have to do. Reid did not publicly attack the Repubs like he should have. Obama did not use the pulpit to attack them. Dems are too gentlemanly. the Repubs play to win. They want the power and will wield it like a dictatorship. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2010, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/168 "2010-10-17T22:47:00Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > > [@jayjay](#): > > > > We kind of wish he’d actually acted as if he had a filibuster-breaking majority in the Senate, because HE DID for a while, at least. Threaten Bayh’s and Nelson’s and Lincoln’s and Landrieu’s DSCC money unless they vote party line. Twist some arms. Threaten some people’s committee positions. If you really believe in your legislative agenda, fight for it! > > You mean, as “Majority Leader” he should have tried to Lead the Majority? > > -Joe I know it sounds like crazy-talk, but still… ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/169 "2010-10-18T00:33:28Z")
> [@](#): > > We kind of wish he’d actually acted as if he had a filibuster-breaking majority in the Senate, because HE DID for a while, at least. Threaten Bayh’s and Nelson’s and Lincoln’s and Landrieu’s DSCC money unless they vote party line. Twist some arms. Threaten some people’s committee positions. If you really believe in your legislative agenda, fight for it! And, what, threaten to kick Lieberman out of the party? He never had a filibuster-breaking majority; at most it was 59-1-40. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/170 "2010-10-18T01:11:16Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And, what, threaten to kick Lieberman out of the party? He never had a filibuster-breaking majority; at most it was 59-1-40. If Lieberman were the only problem child, you’d be right. He’s not. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/171 "2010-10-18T01:49:47Z")
Well that just makes Reid’s job even harder, then, doesn’t it? If he couldn’t get Lieberman to play ball, then Bayh and Nelson and Baucus and the rest acting up too wouldn’t exactly make anything any easier. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/172 "2010-10-18T03:33:03Z")
Reid had 60 votes for about 6 months. In the beginning he had 59, since Al Franken wasn’t seated until July 2009. In Jan 2010 the Dems lost the Massachusetts seat. He got a lot done in the face of vicious Republican obstructionism. Steve Benin lists the legislative accomplishments: > [@Steve Benen](#): > > We are, after all, talking about a two-year span in which Congress passed and the president signed the Affordable Care Act, the Recovery Act, Wall Street reform, student loan reform, Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, new regulation of the credit card industry, new regulation of the tobacco industry, a national service bill, expanded stem-cell research, the Hate Crimes Prevention Act, the most sweeping land-protection act in 15 years, etc. Policymakers might yet add to this list in the lame-duck session. > > Some of these efforts have been years in the making. In the case of health care reform, politicians have been talking about a major overhaul for a full century, but it took this Congress and this president to get it done. Speaking objectively, Reid is one of the greatest Senate leaders in US history. Then again, if he wins I expect that he will screw the pooch and fail to reform the filibuster in Jan 2011. Congressional Dems just can’t bring themselves to believe that Lucy will take back the football _this time_. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/173 "2010-10-18T03:59:23Z")
I have mixed feelings about the filibuster. It was not meant to be used like the Repubs are using it, but I think it has a place. They could change the rules back so if you want to filibuster, you have to care enough to stand up and hold the floor. A procedural filibuster just keeps the majority from exercising its proper rights and passing legislation. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/174 "2010-10-18T04:11:04Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > I have mixed feelings about the filibuster. It was not meant to be used like the Repubs are using it, but I think it has a place. Right, my mixed feelings have a lot to do with the fact that eventually the Republicans will be back in power. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/175 "2010-10-18T04:12:31Z")
Do the democrats have a history of using the procedural filibuster power? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/176 "2010-10-18T18:07:13Z")
The Dems had the nerve to procedurally filibuster 10 of the 214 Federal Judges the Repubs nominated. It pissed the Repubs off so badly that they suggested removing judges from filibusters or wielding the dreaded Nuclear option. Too many Dems felt that if a guy , even Bush with his disputed elections, got elected ,he has a right to put in his kind of judges and staff. For them, you have to provide a wildly insane person to the position. Even worse than Roberts, and Thomas. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/177 "2010-10-18T18:23:24Z")
In other news, Mrs. Angle says that Hispanic children actually look like Asians, which is cool, because she is the first Asian legislator elected to office in Nevada. What. The. Hell. > **[The Washington Post - Breaking news and latest headlines, U.S. news, world...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/)** > > Breaking news, live coverage, investigations, analysis, video, photos and opinions from The Washington Post. Subscribe for the latest on U.S. and international news, politics, business, technology, climate change, health and wellness, sports,... ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/178 "2010-10-18T18:34:12Z")
And according to the story, her claim was that the ad about porous borders was about the Canadian border, even though it had a map of Mexico. And she doesn’t “know” that the people in the ad are Mexicans, possibly because a lot of Canadians look Mexican. Or possibly Asian. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/179 "2010-10-18T20:27:09Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > And according to the story, her claim was that the ad about porous borders was about the Canadian border, even though it had a map of Mexico. And she doesn’t “know” that the people in the ad are Mexicans, possibly because a lot of Canadians look Mexican. Or possibly Asian. She’s convinced everyone else is as stupid as she is. The question is…is she right? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515/180 "2010-10-18T21:16:12Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > In other news, Mrs. Angle says that Hispanic children actually look like Asians, which is cool, because she is the first Asian legislator elected to office in Nevada. > > What. The. Hell. > > [http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/10/angle-tells-hispanic-students.html](http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/10/angle-tells-hispanic-students.html) Angle: “What we know is that our northern border is where the terrorists came through.” I’ve been under the impression for awhile now that this isn’t true. Am I wrong? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nevada-senate-2010-reid-vs-angle/548515.md?page=10)