# Never give up, never surrender **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 10, 2001, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613 "2001-11-10T10:07:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613/21 "2001-11-12T00:21:49Z")
Chronos wrote: > [@](#): > > My understanding is that that was actually the intention from the start, for her lips to not match her words. Just one more subtle joke. Really? So … does that mean that when they were rolling the beryllium sphere across the surface of the planet, and one of the crewmembers was “accidentally” shown carrying a lunch sack that wasn’t in any of the previous scenes … that **this** was intentional too? ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613/22 "2001-11-12T01:06:42Z")
I’m with **Bricker**. The whole film was great, but Tony Shalhoub made the picture for me. One of the most subtly hilarious characters in recent film history. - Tamerlane ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613/23 "2001-11-12T06:00:32Z")
rjung wrote: > [@](#): > > it manages to entertain without (IMO) shredding _Star Trek_ or its fans, Even when Tim Allen told one of his **teen-age** fans “It’s all real,” and the kid replied, “I knew it!!”? That sounded like a pretty strong slam against the more zealous fans right there. ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613/24 "2001-11-12T07:46:57Z")
“See if you can construct a rudimentary lathe.” (I wish I could remember the exact quote.) Did anyone know that on the DVD, one of the languages you can select to hear the movie dubbed in is Thermian? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tanstaafl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba8739/32.png) [@tanstaafl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tanstaafl)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613/25 "2001-11-12T14:20:11Z")
> [@](#): > > Did anyone know that on the DVD, one of the languages you can select to hear the movie dubbed in is Thermian? Yes. Has anyone ever listened to more than about 30 seconds of it? “Ducts… Why are there always ducts?” ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613/26 "2001-11-12T14:24:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DarkWriter \* > \*\*“We gotta get out of here before one of those things kills Guy!” > > God, I love that movie. > > But **Eonwe** , why do you think you saw Tim Allen’s “little friend?” I wanna see, too! 🙂 > > Sheri \*\* When he wakes up in the AM after drinking away his patheticness, and the Thermians come knocking. He’s crawling around looking for his shoes (“find a shoe that looks like this”) and through his shirt… well, let’s just say, I may be imagining it, but it’s oh so much more funny if it’s true. The Thermian’s all even grin at it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613/27 "2001-11-12T20:49:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tracer \* > rjung wrote: > > > [@](#): > > > > it manages to entertain without (IMO) shredding _Star Trek_ or its fans, > > Even when Tim Allen told one of his **teen-age** fans “It’s all real,” and the kid replied, “I knew it!!”? He _had_ to get the kid to help him navigate the ducts, right? 😉 And while it may seem like a slam to you, i _loved_ the way all the fans coordinated their efforts to help “Captain Taggert”. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Eonwe_ > When he wakes up in the AM after drinking away his patheticness, and the Thermians come knocking. He’s crawling around looking for his shoes (“find a shoe that looks like this”) and through his shirt… well, let’s just say, I may be imagining it, but it’s oh so much more funny if it’s true. No, you’re not imagining it – Tim Allen’s definitely dangling… :eek: ---
**Author:** ![HelloKitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ecccb3/32.png) [@HelloKitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelloKitty)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2001, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613/28 "2001-11-12T23:17:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by rjung \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by tracer \* > > rjung wrote: > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > it manages to entertain without (IMO) shredding _Star Trek_ or its fans, > > > > Even when Tim Allen told one of his **teen-age** fans “It’s all real,” and the kid replied, “I knew it!!”? > > He _had_ to get the kid to help him navigate the ducts, right? 😉 And while it may seem like a slam to you, i _loved_ the way all the fans coordinated their efforts to help “Captain Taggert”. > \*\* I thought the movie really “shredded” non-Trekkers. It’s vindication for the hard-core Galaxy-Questians that it all ends up being true, and THEY are the ones that save the world! In the movie, if it weren’t for the fans, the world would have been toast, which to me is giving the Trekkers of the world some major props. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2001, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613/29 "2001-11-13T01:25:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bricker \* > \*\*Much credit to Tony Shalhoub for an outstanding role … “Um… just thought I’d let you know that they’re telling me… ah, that the engine’s can’t take much more. Just, ya know, FYI.” > > - Rick \*\* Absolutely. He made the movie with his not-so-subtly stoned approach. ---
**Author:** ![Neidhart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Neidhart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neidhart)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2001, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613/30 "2001-11-13T01:38:32Z")
“Did I hear you say that the animal – TURNED INSIDE OUT and then it – EXPLODED??” ---
**Author:** ![broccoli](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@broccoli](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/broccoli)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2001, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613/31 "2001-11-13T01:48:36Z")
Yes - I have actually watched the entire DVD on the alien language. No - I don’t know why. Yes - I had been drinking. No - I was nowhere near drunk. In fact I think that that was a buzzkill if I ever had one. ---
**Author:** ![Tommy\_the\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Tommy\_the\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tommy_the_Cat)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2001, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613/32 "2001-11-13T02:01:22Z")
“Did you ever think that you might be the plucky comic relief?” Great flick. Being unemployed, it’s always a bright spot in my day when it comes on Cinemax. Although, if it comes on during **Magnum, P.I.** I find myself torn. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2001, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613/33 "2001-11-13T03:41:31Z")
I have a _lot_ of movies and other programs on tape but most of them I taped off the television. **Galaxy Quest** is one of only about two dozen films I actually went out and _bought_ so that I could have a really good copy. I love that movie. My favorite lines are “Hey, c’mon guys, get a room…Oh that’s not right!” , the corny but touching scene where Alan Rickman recites the line he hates for the dying Thermian, and “At least he’s outside.” ---
**Author:** ![Darkrabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3be4f8/32.png) [@Darkrabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darkrabbit)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2001, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613/34 "2001-11-13T04:44:49Z")
I saw it five times in the theaters, and it’s the only tape in my collection besides ‘Contact’ and ‘The Princess Bride’ that I’ve seen more than a half-dozen times. You guys already covered the best quotes so I won’t rehash them. For me, what makes it such a special movie, is that I’ve always loved science fiction and Star Trek in particular. It’s the first science fiction movie/tv show I can remember besides ‘Forbidden Planet’ and it’s always had a special place in my heart. I’m glad that the person(s) whom decided to lampoon it with Galaxy Quest did it with such affection as they did. Besides all of the in-jokes that only a true Trek Fan or sci-fi buff would understand, did you know that they made a series of fake Galaxy Quest fans sites? These web sites look like your typical, cheesy, 1999 GeoCities web sites and they all pretend that Galaxy Quest is a real tv series and that the characters in the movie are real people! Any fan of the movie should visit them just for a laugh. Start here: [http://www.galaxyquest.com](http://www.galaxyquest.com) **DarkRabbit** ---
**Author:** ![TommyTutone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c4cdca/32.png) [@TommyTutone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TommyTutone)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2001, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613/35 "2001-11-13T16:21:37Z")
In yet another instance of art from parody, I am amused that the ‘head’ Thurmian now plays the doctor on Enterprise. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2001, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613/36 "2001-11-13T16:26:31Z")
Darkrabbit wrote: > [@](#): > > I’m glad that the person(s) whom decided to lampoon it with Galaxy Quest did it with such affection as they did. \ This is one of those extremely rare instances where you wrote “whom”, but you should have written “who.” (Usually, who/whom errors are the other way around.) \ ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2001, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613/37 "2001-11-13T16:34:07Z")
Darkrabbit wrote: > [@](#): > > did you know that they made a series of fake Galaxy Quest fans sites? These web sites look like your typical, cheesy, 1999 GeoCities web sites and they all pretend that Galaxy Quest is a real tv series and that the characters in the movie are real people! > > Any fan of the movie should visit them just for a laugh. > > Start here: [http://www.galaxyquest.com](http://www.galaxyquest.com) Oh good Lord … Here’s the resume page for the non-existent “fan geek” who supposedly made the above website: [http://www.galaxyquest.com/galaxyquest/resume.html](http://www.galaxyquest.com/galaxyquest/resume.html) And here’s **my real-life resume:** [http://www.netcom.com/~rogermw/resume.html](http://www.netcom.com/~rogermw/resume.html) :eek: :eek: :eek: I knew I was geeky, but I had no idea I was **that** geeky! ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2001, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613/38 "2001-11-13T16:47:36Z")
We’ve bought **Galaxy Quest** for our DVD collection – both **PepperMill** and I (being Star Trek fans) love it. One of the more interesting features on the DVD is the “Discarded Scenes”. What I find VERY interesting, and a little troubling, is that each of the characters except Tim Allen’s has a “discarded scene” that adds to the depth of the character. Alan Rickman, for instance, has a much bigger scene after the line “You never did pay attention to the Craft!” Tony Shaloub and Sigournery Weaver also get bigger scenes. Well, the scenes were CUT, so you never did get that extra insight into the characters. Yet this is precisely what the actors on the original Star Trek complained about with Shatner – their own scenes kept getting cut because they needed to tighten up the production, but Shaqtner’s scenes and lines weren’t touched. It’s a little annoying that the very same thing happens with the parody as well. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2001, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613/39 "2001-11-13T17:41:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CalMeacham \* > \*\*Well, the scenes were CUT, so you never did get that extra insight into the characters. Yet this is precisely what the actors on the original Star Trek complained about with Shatner – their own scenes kept getting cut because they needed to tighten up the production, but Shaqtner’s scenes and lines weren’t touched. It’s a little annoying that the very same thing happens with the parody as well. \*\* “Galaxy Quest” was a lighthearted comedy; additional depth to the characters would have been wholly superfluous and would have bogged the film down. Really, the scenes should have been cut. Get to the next joke. ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2001, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613/40 "2001-11-13T17:47:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by LlamaPoet \* > \*\*In yet another instance of art from parody, I am amused that the ‘head’ Thurmian now plays the doctor on Enterprise. \*\* Are you sure? Doctor Phlox on _Enterprise_ is played by [John Billingsley](http://us.imdb.com/Name?Billingsley,+John+(II)). I don’t see his name anywhere in [the cast list for _Galaxy Quest_](http://us.imdb.com/Credits?0177789). Mathesar was played by [Enrico Colantoni](http://us.imdb.com/Name?Colantoni,+Enrico). You must be talking about someone else though, right? These two guys don’t look or sound anything alike. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-give-up-never-surrender/92613.md?page=3)