# Never thought I would say this: I agree with Michael Steele, RNC chairman! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 4, 2010, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-thought-i-would-say-this-i-agree-with-michael-steele-rnc-chairman/545477 "2010-07-04T02:17:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-thought-i-would-say-this-i-agree-with-michael-steele-rnc-chairman/545477/1 "2010-07-04T02:17:06Z")
I never, in a million years, would have thought I would type these words. But Michael Steele [was right](http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/03/us/politics/03steele.html?_r=1). What the hell is the world coming to, when the _RNC chairman_ is more dovish than the Democrat I voted for two years ago? :mad: > [@](#): > > WASHINGTON — Michael Steele, chairman of the Republican National Committee, drew fierce criticism and a call for his resignation on Friday after declaring at a party fund-raiser that the United States was on the wrong side of history with its conflict in Afghanistan, a military fight he called “a war of Obama’s choosing.” > > “This is not something the United States had actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in,” Mr. Steele said in a speech Thursday night in Connecticut in which he offered a strong critique of President Obama’s military strategy. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-thought-i-would-say-this-i-agree-with-michael-steele-rnc-chairman/545477/2 "2010-07-04T02:23:07Z")
Huh. And here I thought we were already in Afghanistan when Obama was sworn into office. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-thought-i-would-say-this-i-agree-with-michael-steele-rnc-chairman/545477/3 "2010-07-04T02:23:32Z")
And later he said, > [@Michael Steele](#): > > For the sake of the security of the free world, our country must give our troops the support necessary to win this war. As we have learned throughout history, winning a war in Afghanistan is a difficult task. We must also remember that after the tragedy of Sept. 11, 2001, it is also a necessary one. Basically Michael Steele says all kinds of things, and few of them are considered. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-thought-i-would-say-this-i-agree-with-michael-steele-rnc-chairman/545477/4 "2010-07-04T02:29:22Z")
Steele is absolutely not being a dove, and I really hope you were suffering a concussion when you wrote the OP. Steele is attacking Obama. There is, literally, nothing more to his position than that. If Obama were to release a statement against Blender Kittens, Steele would immediately declare all kittens Excommunicate Traitoris and demand all kittens be immediately blended. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-thought-i-would-say-this-i-agree-with-michael-steele-rnc-chairman/545477/5 "2010-07-04T02:30:46Z")
I particularly like the admission that all those brave servicemen and women who died in Afghanistan on Bush’s watch were thrown away for no reason besides a ‘disinterest’ in properly prosecuting a war that got blundered into on the way to Iraq. Very dovish thinking on the GOP heads part there; much to be admired. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-thought-i-would-say-this-i-agree-with-michael-steele-rnc-chairman/545477/6 "2010-07-04T03:39:03Z")
I wonder if one day, after Michael Steele has added RNC chairman as yet another failure to his already remarkable list of failures, he will look back and wonder if pimping himself, abandoning any pretense of objectivity or truth, and kneeling at the altar of hyperpartisanism was worth it. I don’t understand the man. He can’t be so stupid as to not realize that he’s simply the house negro, the token, selected as a counterpoint to Obama solely because of his race…can he? I’m embarrassed for him as it seems he doesn’t have the sense to be embarrassed for himself. The more he attacks Obama, the worse he looks. Steele is just the kind of person who is impressed by what people think of him. Does he really believe there’s any possibility he will leave a positive legacy? Can he truly be that deluded? The RNC may not remove Steele now, even after this latest embarrassment, but I believe his days are numbered. Even the RNC leadership, as cynical and insulting to all Americans as they were in selecting Steele, must realize by now that they’re getting a negative return on their investment. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-thought-i-would-say-this-i-agree-with-michael-steele-rnc-chairman/545477/7 "2010-07-04T03:52:19Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > I never, in a million years, would have thought I would type these words. But Michael Steele [was right](http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/03/us/politics/03steele.html?_r=1). > > What the hell is the world coming to, when the _RNC chairman_ is more dovish than the Democrat I voted for two years ago? :mad: What part of that was he right about? “A war of Obama’s choosing.” No, Obama was a state senator when the war started. “This is not something the United States had actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in,” No, most Americans, including most Democrats, were for the war in Afganistan. It was Iraq where things went screwy. Michael Steele wasn’t right about anything. In fact, his entire statement was a complete line of bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-thought-i-would-say-this-i-agree-with-michael-steele-rnc-chairman/545477/8 "2010-07-04T04:01:43Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Steele is absolutely not being a dove, and I really hope you were suffering a concussion when you wrote the OP. Steele is attacking Obama. There is, literally, nothing more to his position than that. > > If Obama were to release a statement against Blender Kittens, Steele would immediately declare all kittens Excommunicate Traitoris and demand all kittens be immediately blended. > > -Joe Exactly this. If Obama decides tomorrow to take all the troops out of Afghanistan, Steele would be saying the complete opposite. He would be ranting that Obama is be betraying all the soldiers who’ve fought and died there. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-thought-i-would-say-this-i-agree-with-michael-steele-rnc-chairman/545477/9 "2010-07-04T15:14:18Z")
Afghanistan is the longest war in American history. Obama has been president for 1.5 years. It does not compute. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-thought-i-would-say-this-i-agree-with-michael-steele-rnc-chairman/545477/10 "2010-07-04T15:30:44Z")
Wormhole. Or spacetime. Or some long sentence with “quantum” in it. In fact “quantum” probably appears twice. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-thought-i-would-say-this-i-agree-with-michael-steele-rnc-chairman/545477/11 "2010-07-04T16:28:50Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > What part of that was he right about? “A war of Obama’s choosing.” No, Obama was a state senator when the war started. > > “This is not something the United States had actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in,” No, most Americans, including most Democrats, were for the war in Afganistan. It was Iraq where things went screwy. > > Michael Steele wasn’t right about anything. In fact, his entire statement was a complete line of bullshit. Agreed. While I sympathize with the OP on the issue of Afghanistan, Steele is an idiot and doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Or worse, he’s an idiot and knows what he’s talking about but says it anyway. Knee-jerk slams at Obama are not useful in the debate about Afghanistan. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-thought-i-would-say-this-i-agree-with-michael-steele-rnc-chairman/545477/12 "2010-07-04T17:05:02Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Agreed. While I sympathize with the OP on the issue of Afghanistan, Steele is an idiot and doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Or worse, he’s an idiot and knows what he’s talking about but says it anyway. Knee-jerk slams at Obama are not useful in the debate about Afghanistan. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-thought-i-would-say-this-i-agree-with-michael-steele-rnc-chairman/545477/13 "2010-07-04T17:11:29Z")
> [@](#): > > Wormhole. Or spacetime. Or some long sentence with “quantum” in it. > > In fact “quantum” probably appears twice. A wizard did it. No wait, I forgot this is the RNC chairman talking. A democrat did it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-thought-i-would-say-this-i-agree-with-michael-steele-rnc-chairman/545477/14 "2010-07-04T17:13:42Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > Even a broken clock is right twice a day. That just shows that Steele is dumber than a broken clock. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-thought-i-would-say-this-i-agree-with-michael-steele-rnc-chairman/545477/15 "2010-07-04T17:27:52Z")
The alpha lemming is the first over the edge. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2010, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-thought-i-would-say-this-i-agree-with-michael-steele-rnc-chairman/545477/16 "2010-07-04T17:45:11Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The alpha lemming is the first over the edge. [Republican Steele’s Afghanistan Remarks Praised by Ron Paul](http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-07-04/republican-steele-s-afghanistan-remarks-praised-by-ron-paul.html) > [@](#): > > “Michael Steele should not resign,” Paul, a Texas Republican and former Libertarian Party presidential candidate, said yesterday in a statement. “Michael Steele has it right and Republicans should stick by him.” ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2010, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-thought-i-would-say-this-i-agree-with-michael-steele-rnc-chairman/545477/17 "2010-07-05T01:53:47Z")
There have been many threads about movies which don’t really exist, like a certain Star Trek one. I think they do something similar at RNC HQ - presidents, Clinton, Obama, there was no president between these two democrats. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2010, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-thought-i-would-say-this-i-agree-with-michael-steele-rnc-chairman/545477/18 "2010-07-05T01:58:54Z")
W is not canon? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2010, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-thought-i-would-say-this-i-agree-with-michael-steele-rnc-chairman/545477/19 "2010-07-05T04:33:00Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > That just shows that Steele is dumber than a broken clock. 😃 It shows he is willing to lie and as this thread shows, some people will believe it. You know Steele isn’t dumb. He is just another Repub with no regard for the truth. ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2010, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-thought-i-would-say-this-i-agree-with-michael-steele-rnc-chairman/545477/20 "2010-07-05T07:48:50Z")
Although I generally don’t like it when political parties give each other advice, when is the GOP going to appoint Sarah Palin as RNC Chair? She’s like Howard Dean: A national figure with a strong following, but lacking electability or the temperment for high office, better suited to act as party bulldog. Although my own preference is for her to go away, might be a good fit for Palin. And it might be good for a few laughs. Once Mr. Steele runs out of material. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/never-thought-i-would-say-this-i-agree-with-michael-steele-rnc-chairman/545477.md?page=2)