# New 4 minute Captain America 2 trailer **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 6, 2014, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049 "2014-03-06T21:10:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2014, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049/41 "2014-03-07T22:23:44Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > Well he did rob a bank in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid… And he was an unrepentant ex-con masterminding a jewel heist in _The Hot Rock_. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2014, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049/42 "2014-03-10T17:58:05Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > What do you mean, again? The helicarrier in _The Avengers_ wasn’t wrecked. It got shot up a bit, and lost a couple of engines, but by the end of the film, it was still flying. What do you mean, “wasn’t wrecked?” Wrecked doesn’t necessarily mean completely destroyed or atomized, there are plenty of wrecked cars fixed in body shops. I just mean damaging the carrier as a cheap way to engage the audience is a lazy tactic. Doing so in two films in the franchise relatively close together in time seems lame. People have argued that these are other carriers, which is essentially arguing “it’s not as lame as the trailer makes it appear.” Perhaps so, raising the oblivious issue of why they chose to put it into the trailer where it would indeed appear to be a weak reprisal of a previous theme. ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2014, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049/43 "2014-03-10T18:10:33Z")
Just an aside - I am still amazed at how good Chris Evans is for the role of Capt America. just really, surprisingly good. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2014, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049/44 "2014-03-10T18:23:46Z")
> [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > Just an aside - I am still amazed at how good Chris Evans is for the role of Capt America. just really, surprisingly good. Agreed. When I’d originally heard of his casting, and only really being familiar with him as Johnny Storm in the Fantastic Four films, I had serious doubts. But, I have to say, he really has been outstanding as Cap. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2014, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049/45 "2014-03-10T18:35:45Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Agreed. When I’d originally heard of his casting, and only really being familiar with him as Johnny Storm in the Fantastic Four films, I had serious doubts. But, I have to say, he really has been outstanding as Cap. I didn’t even realize it was the same actor! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2014, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049/46 "2014-03-10T18:49:39Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > What do you mean, “wasn’t wrecked?” Wrecked doesn’t necessarily mean completely destroyed or atomized, there are plenty of wrecked cars fixed in body shops. Actually, it does. To wreck something is to destroy it. That doesn’t mean it can’t be fixed, but if something is wrecked, it’s generally non-functional. > [@](#): > > I just mean damaging the carrier as a cheap way to engage the audience is a lazy tactic. Doing so in two films in the franchise relatively close together in time seems lame. I don’t see it that way at all. Any action scene involving a helicarrier is necessarily going to draw at least some of its tension from the possibility of the helicarrier being destroyed. Just like every Star Wars movie had at least one scene of people trying to shoot down the Millenium Falcon, and almost every Star Trek movie had at least one scene of stuff blowing up on the Enterprise (the only exception, I think, was the one with the whales, because they’d blown up the Enterprise in the previous movie.) Now, if there’s a major action sequence that revolves around the heroes trying to repair a crashing helicarrier in midair, yes, that would be repetitive. But that doesn’t seem to be the case here. ---
**Author:** ![nevadaexile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/eb8c5e/32.png) [@nevadaexile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nevadaexile)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2014, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049/47 "2014-03-10T19:09:02Z")
With deference to Cap’s enhanced abilities wouldn’t diving into water from a high altitude head first ALWAYS be a poor idea? Also I hope that the trailer isn’t showing all of the best parts of the film. For the $14.50 for the tickets (I always go to the matinee) plus the $30 for the snacks, I’d hate to think that I had already ready seen what there was to be seen. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2014, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049/48 "2014-03-10T19:16:27Z")
> [@nevadaexile](#): > > With deference to Cap’s enhanced abilities wouldn’t diving into water from a high altitude head first ALWAYS be a poor idea? Of course. That’s why Cap tucks, grabs his mask and enters the water **feet-first**. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2014, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049/49 "2014-03-10T19:23:23Z")
He could have done it head first, but he’s not a showoff. ---
**Author:** ![Runestar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/74df32/32.png) [@Runestar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Runestar)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2014, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049/50 "2014-03-10T19:51:33Z")
> [@simster](#): > > I didn’t even realize it was the same actor! +1 Hadn’t even noticed it either… ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2014, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049/51 "2014-03-10T21:08:44Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > Right, two for two. Can’t they think of something else to happen? I agree. Film looks to be a little too dark & gritty. I am sooooo fucking tired of dark & gritty. ---
**Author:** ![FordPrefect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@FordPrefect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordPrefect)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2014, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049/52 "2014-03-10T21:31:52Z")
> [@simster](#): > > I didn’t even realize it was the same actor! Well, he is way fitter now 😉 ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2014, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049/53 "2014-03-10T22:05:50Z")
Huh. I thought Hayley Atwell was going to play Sharon Carter in this, but IMDB lists her as Peggy again. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049/54 "2014-03-11T13:41:22Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I don’t see it that way at all. Any action scene involving a helicarrier is necessarily going to draw at least some of its tension from the possibility of the helicarrier being destroyed. Just like every Star Wars movie had at least one scene of people trying to shoot down the Millenium Falcon, and almost every Star Trek movie had at least one scene of stuff blowing up on the Enterprise (the only exception, I think, was the one with the whales, because they’d blown up the Enterprise in the previous movie.) Nitpick: Even in “the whales episode”, near the climax of the film, the Bird of Prey (named “Bounty”) drops out of the sky, without power due to the whale-probes influence, narrowly missing the Golden Gate. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049/55 "2014-03-11T14:42:30Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > Nitpick: Even in “the whales episode”, near the climax of the film, the Bird of Prey (named “Bounty”) drops out of the sky, without power due to the whale-probes influence, narrowly missing the Golden Gate. not to mention the wanton destruction of trash cans! “Hey, did you see that?” “No, and neither did you!” ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049/56 "2014-03-11T16:33:45Z")
> [@simster](#): > > not to mention the wanton destruction of trash cans! > > “Hey, did you see that?” > “No, and neither did you!” 😕 You’ve whooshed me. **Miller** said danger threatening the hero’s spaceship(s) is a feature in most sci-fi, except for maybe ST-IV. I was merely pointing out that there was that “danger” in ST-IV, too. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049/57 "2014-03-11T19:02:31Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > Nitpick: Even in “the whales episode”, near the climax of the film, the Bird of Prey (named “Bounty”) drops out of the sky, without power due to the whale-probes influence, narrowly missing the Golden Gate. Come to think of it, the ship gets shot at in that movie, too. Granted, it’s a harpoon gun… ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049/58 "2014-03-11T19:19:18Z")
Reaction to early screenings is [extremely positive](http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/captain-america/29660/captain-america-the-winter-soldier-early-reactions-roll-in). ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049/59 "2014-03-11T19:40:09Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Any action scene involving a helicarrier is necessarily going to draw at least some of its tension from the possibility of the helicarrier being destroyed. Just like every Star Wars movie had at least one scene of people trying to shoot down the Millenium Falcon, and almost every Star Trek movie had at least one scene of stuff blowing up on the Enterprise (the only exception, I think, was the one with the whales, because they’d blown up the Enterprise in the previous movie.) I believe I used the USS _Enterprise_ as the “poster ship” for the weary cliché of the “Hey, they’re blowing up the ship _again_” trope. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2014, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049/60 "2014-03-11T19:42:17Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > 😕 You’ve whooshed me. When the cloaked Bird of Prey landed in Golden Gate Park in ST IV, it crushed a garbage can under one of its landing pads, and scared off a couple of garbage collectors, who uttered the lines that **simster** quoted before they fled. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-4-minute-captain-america-2-trailer/683049.md?page=4)