# New Ant Man trailer is out **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 13, 2015, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563 "2015-04-13T13:44:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563/21 "2015-04-13T22:18:56Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > They’re based on the same technology so it would make sense that they’d be similar. Recall that Iron Man’s suit pushed others to do the same. In the first one, Stane stole a previous design and used Tony’s own arc reactor to power it. In the 2nd movie, due to Tony’s success, he’s got copycats. And he didn’t really fight guys in robotic suits in the 3rd, he found Extremis empowered superhumans. Also, what he fights in the second movie aren’t robotic suits, they’re just straight up robots. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563/22 "2015-04-13T22:22:15Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > I guess we’ll get there sooner or later on Arrow. Ray Palmer has his super-suit that’s Not Not Not made of Iron, and there have been mentions of Palmer Technology’s miniaturization reasearch… I predict it will be a season-ending intersection of the two. I know the show is supposed to ratchet up into more superhero-y territory as the seasons progress. Maybe, though you can already kinda see the shows budget strain when Palmer’s suit is flying around for a few seconds. I’m kinda skeptical they’ll be able to pull of miniaturization without looking super-goofy. I think they were wise to limit the more blatant comic book stuff. Audiences have become used to blockbuster level special effects for their superheroes. Trying to do the samething on the budget of a CW show is just going to look silly. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563/23 "2015-04-13T22:46:24Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > Consider - they are basically doing an exact repeat of the Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man model. Take a not-exactly-young guy who built his career being verbally witty and put him in a red & gold super suit, lard in the CGI and you’re good to go. What could go wrong? This is the sort of logic where, when Harry Potter succeeded, studio heads greenlit Eragon and The Golden Compass as films and later were surprised that the results didn’t match up to the expected revenues. Having a formula for success doesn’t mean that you’ll have a success if you follow the formula. My mom followed the formulas on the back of food packaging and the result of that was that her Mac n’ Cheese could be anything from a watery soup to a chunky glue. Success doesn’t just involve following the right steps, it also requires proper competence of all the parties involved and strong execution. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563/24 "2015-04-14T00:22:52Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > This is the sort of logic where, when Harry Potter succeeded, studio heads greenlit Eragon and The Golden Compass as films and later were surprised that the results didn’t match up to the expected revenues. > > Having a formula for success doesn’t mean that you’ll have a success if you follow the formula. My mom followed the formulas on the back of food packaging and the result of that was that her Mac n’ Cheese could be anything from a watery soup to a chunky glue. Success doesn’t just involve following the right steps, it also requires proper competence of all the parties involved and strong execution. Copycatting on a trending bandwagon is always suspect, but the examples you gave were different authors, different universes, different studios. This is one company, one universe, and one very obvious, strategic long-term plan. So this isn’t like they’re jumping in blind because the water is warm. They have proven that they have a fairly good idea how to calibrate their heroes and titles for maximum audience satisfaction. They’ve gotta fail at some point, I guess, but that isn’t quite a foregone conclusion yet. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563/25 "2015-04-14T00:33:02Z")
> [@Icarus](#): > > Consider - they are basically doing an exact repeat of the Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man model. Take a not-exactly-young guy who built his career being verbally witty and put him in a red & gold super suit, lard in the CGI and you’re good to go. What could go wrong? Huh. This post makes equal amounts of sense whether you read it straight or as sarcasm. That’s interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563/26 "2015-04-14T01:39:01Z")
> [@MovieMogul](#): > > Copycatting on a trending bandwagon is always suspect, but the examples you gave were different authors, different universes, different studios. > > This is one company, one universe, and one very obvious, strategic long-term plan. So this isn’t like they’re jumping in blind because the water is warm. They have proven that they have a fairly good idea how to calibrate their heroes and titles for maximum audience satisfaction. They’ve gotta fail at some point, I guess, but that isn’t quite a foregone conclusion yet. In retrospect, I realize that I should have expected people to think that I was saying that Marvel was doing this, since I gave the example of a “movie studio” behaving in this way. But my intention was to cast doubt on the posters in this thread who seemed to think that the movie will be good simply because it shares superficial similarities with Iron Man or Guardians of the Galaxy. I don’t think that the movie was the effect of Marvel jumping onto their own bandwagon. But I don’t believe that comparisons with other movies, directed, written, and acted by other people, is reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563/27 "2015-04-14T02:59:16Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > (Editing on the quote mine) > > Well the MCU has certainly surprised me before by making superhero movies that aren’t superhero movies (Cap 1 being a period piece, Cap 2 being a war drama) I would be quite happy if this ended up as a heist movie. > > Feel free to make fun of me: I’m kinda disappointed there are so many ants in this movie. I know he’s ANT MAN, but that’s mostly because he’s small. I’m scared to death of ants so now I’m debating this movie even more For years, Scott Lang’s shtick in the comics including flying around on a winged ant. Ants are part of his gimmick. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563/28 "2015-04-14T04:34:32Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > In retrospect, I realize that I should have expected people to think that I was saying that Marvel was doing this, since I gave the example of a “movie studio” behaving in this way. But my intention was to cast doubt on the posters in this thread who seemed to think that the movie will be good simply because it shares superficial similarities with Iron Man or Guardians of the Galaxy. > > I don’t think that the movie was the effect of Marvel jumping onto their own bandwagon. But I don’t believe that comparisons with other movies, directed, written, and acted by other people, is reasonable. That’s true, but you have to admit that the Marvel production line has excellent quality control. And I mean that unironically. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563/29 "2015-04-14T04:56:13Z")
From what I understand, _Ant Man_ was not part of the planned slate for Marvel’s big plan, originally, but Edgar Wright persisted, convincing them to do it. Then Edgar leaves over creative differences, but as they’ve committed to it they make the movie anyway, with slightly less confidence in its necessity and where it fits into everything. I would pretty much guarantee there will never be an _Ant Man 2_, but he will be an additional character in the Avengers subsequent line-up. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563/30 "2015-04-14T05:40:36Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > That’s true, but you have to admit that the Marvel production line has excellent quality control. And I mean that unironically. Eh, Ironman 2, Ed Nortons Hulk are fairly pedestrian. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563/31 "2015-04-14T07:43:15Z")
True, but they were early in the run, and even they weren’t nearly as bad as they could have been. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563/32 "2015-04-14T11:45:32Z")
Marvel has made some movies that weren’t great, but even those were half-decent. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563/33 "2015-04-14T12:09:15Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Marvel has made some movies that weren’t great, but even those were half-decent. Eric Bana’s turn as the Hulk wasn’t half-decent. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563/34 "2015-04-14T12:10:59Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Marvel has made some movies that weren’t great, but even those were half-decent. The only “decent” think about Ironman 2 was the momentary glimpse of Scarlett Johansson in her underwear. Can’t think of any for the Hulk. The thing is with **Guardians** theyt knew that the premise was ridculous and people were sceptical, so they produced a tight, well made movie. In **Ant Man** , that motivation is missing after **Guardians**. ---
**Author:** ![Meurglys](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/258eb7/32.png) [@Meurglys](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meurglys)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563/35 "2015-04-14T13:03:44Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Hell, I’m in it for the miniaturization aspect alone. > > Looks like a bit of fun. Me, too. I haven’t been to a Marvel film since Iron Man, iirc, but I’ll probably try to catch this one. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563/36 "2015-04-14T15:44:50Z")
I wasn’t planning on seeing this one, but now I might. I’m going to cringe if they do what they nearly always do in fiction with ants (or bees), and refer to individuals as “he” and “him”. My husband once said, “I think that I shall never see/A bee I can describe as he.” ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563/37 "2015-04-14T16:17:46Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > The thing is with **Guardians** theyt knew that the premise was ridculous and people were sceptical, so they produced a tight, well made movie. In **Ant Man** , that motivation is missing after **Guardians**. Are you suggesting Marvel’s strategy for this movie was “eh, release any old crap. We don’t need to produce a well-made movie this time around, people will watch anything after GotG”? It seems silly to say “make a good movie that increases our brand penetration and earns us buckets of cash” was intentionally left off the agenda for Ant-Man. That doesn’t really seem to be their style, and it’s premature to dismiss this movie based on their current track record. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563/38 "2015-04-14T17:15:54Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Are you suggesting Marvel’s strategy for this movie was “eh, release any old crap. We don’t need to produce a well-made movie this time around, people will watch anything after GotG”? It seems silly to say “make a good movie that increases our brand penetration and earns us buckets of cash” was intentionally left off the agenda for Ant-Man. > > That doesn’t really seem to be their style, and it’s premature to dismiss this movie based on their current track record. Forget it Jake, it’s Chinatown. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563/39 "2015-04-14T19:58:44Z")
> [@RandMcnally](#): > > I dunno. I’ll go see it. People thought the movie with a talking raccoon was going to bomb. > [@silenus](#): > > The mind boggles, but they pulled off the talking raccoon with a machine gun, so I’ll be there. Agreed. Although GotG was a bit more fantastical. I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now. ---
**Author:** ![Doug\_K](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5ac83/32.png) [@Doug\_K](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doug_K)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563/40 "2015-04-14T21:30:01Z")
I don’t see what’s so funny. There something wrong with being [Antman](http://snltranscripts.jt.org/78/78osuperman.phtml)? I mean, what’s the joke? I don’t see what’s so– [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-ant-man-trailer-is-out/717563.md?page=3)