# New Avengers movie title **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 21, 2013, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080 "2013-07-21T02:27:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2013, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080/21 "2013-07-21T18:29:07Z")
> [@Don\_Draper](#): > > Whedon did want the alien invaders to be known as “Skrulls”, but that name (and their shape-shifting “li’l green men” likeness is tied up to possible future “Fantastic Four” movies. Prompting Chris Evans to say _“If I have to fight a bunch of Skrulls, I want to do it alongside Robert Downey and Chris Hemsworth not Ioan Gruffudd and Jessica Alba.”_ ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2013, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080/22 "2013-07-21T18:56:31Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > Great news. Thanos would be impossible to top, so it’s best he’s the third villain. > > Either Stark will be retconned as Ultron’s maker, or Ultron will be explained backasswardly when his creator shows up in the third movie years after his creation. I don’t care for either of those, so I hope they’ve thought of sonething better. I suppose Pym could be in Avengers before his solo flick. Why can’t they introduce Hank Pym in this Avengers movie, and use it to introduce Pym to mainstream audience - which would enable an Ant/Giant-Man movie to have a chance…? ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2013, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080/23 "2013-07-22T14:13:13Z")
> [@WordMan](#): > > Why can’t they introduce Hank Pym in this Avengers movie, and use it to introduce Pym to mainstream audience - which would enable an Ant/Giant-Man movie to have a chance…? I think that would be a pretty good idea. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2013, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080/24 "2013-07-22T14:18:59Z")
That’s an odds-on bet. Marvel needs to pilot the character with movie audiences before Pym merits his own movie. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2013, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080/25 "2013-07-22T14:20:03Z")
This heartens me greatly. It means that we may expect Dr. Pym and the Wasp, and maybe the Vision to appear in Avengers 2. And that’s great because that’s more people for Joss to hurt, so maybe he won’t cripple/blind/kill Hawkeye (who’s always been my favorite Marvel hero). ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2013, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080/26 "2013-07-22T14:56:33Z")
I get a sense that Ultron is going to be a creation/byproduct of something Tony Stark did. But it’s possible that in this movie Pym will be an employee of Stark Enterprises. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2013, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080/27 "2013-07-22T14:58:55Z")
The thing is, the Ant-Man movie appears to be an origin story, so if they **do** do it that way they’re going to have to introduce him without really explaining where this new superpowered guy came from and then say “if you really want to know, see the prequel movie this November!” It would be weird and out of order, but not impossible. ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2013, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080/28 "2013-07-22T16:12:17Z")
Is the superhero identity necessary for Ultron’s origin? Pym could build Ultron first, then acquire super-powers later. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2013, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080/29 "2013-07-22T16:16:32Z")
It could work that way, as long as Hank Pym is together with Jan in his pre-hero state. In the comics, they hadn’t met before he became a super-hero, but she did know him before finding out he was a super-hero, so it could be tweaked that way. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2013, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080/30 "2013-07-22T17:14:14Z")
Nevermind–answer to my question was given. Note-read thread before posting ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2013, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080/31 "2013-07-22T17:21:51Z")
[It will be an _Ultron_ origin story…without Hank Pym.](http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=83845) ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2013, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080/32 "2013-07-22T17:24:17Z")
Ah, so Hawkeye DOES get crippled/mutilated/killed. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2013, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080/33 "2013-07-22T18:22:48Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > It could work that way, as long as Hank Pym is together with Jan in his pre-hero state. In the comics, they hadn’t met before he became a super-hero, but she did know him before finding out he was a super-hero, so it could be tweaked that way. Unless I missed a retcon, she learned his secret identity in the same issue where they first met, which was the same issue where she made her costumed debut. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2013, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080/34 "2013-07-22T18:34:47Z")
I assumed for years now that if they did Ultron, it would be Stark creating it since it makes more sense in the movie context…He had already built an AI program by the time of the first Iron Man movie. The weird thing is Marvel just finished an AWFUL mini-series by the same name (Age of Ultron) which is apparently not at all the basis for the plot of Avengers 2. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080/35 "2013-07-22T18:40:05Z")
Sorry, Pepperwinkle, I think you’re right about that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080/36 "2013-07-22T23:31:39Z")
I’m not sure that Jarvis is properly a true AI. His interactions _with Stark_ seem natural and intelligent, but it’s a lot easier to build a program that interacts well with its creator than it is to build one that can do so in general. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2013, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080/37 "2013-07-23T00:36:42Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I’m not sure that Jarvis is properly a true AI. His interactions _with Stark_ seem natural and intelligent, but it’s a lot easier to build a program that interacts well with its creator than it is to build one that can do so in general. You’d be correct if Jarvis was merely an OS that fit Stark’s habits like a glove, but the nature of the interaction requires that either Jarvis is an AI, or he’s a chatbot so good at selecting responses that he’d practically have to be an AI to do it, or Stark writes Jarvis’s witty banter in advance. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2013, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080/38 "2013-07-23T01:11:13Z")
\*\*Avenger 2 …Electric Boogaloo!\*\* 'nuf said. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2013, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080/39 "2013-07-23T01:45:36Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I’m not sure that Jarvis is properly a true AI. His interactions _with Stark_ seem natural and intelligent, but it’s a lot easier to build a program that interacts well with its creator than it is to build one that can do so in general. So you’re saying everything seems hunky-dory when Jarvis is interacting with Stark, but there’s something weird and sinister lurking just below the surface? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2013, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080/40 "2013-07-23T02:00:48Z")
Just a quick note: in the comic book, when Ultron was introduced, he had Jarvis working for him, and at one point had Jarvis pretend to be Ultron. Granted, Jarvis was human, but… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-avengers-movie-title/664080.md?page=3)