# New bin Laden videotape: Again, he avoids the important question. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 10, 2003, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815 "2003-09-10T19:08:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2003, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815/141 "2003-09-20T19:18:33Z")
thanks for all this info. It does make me think. And I think youre right, theres just tooo many people who would’ve known and been done away with afterwards. Though I do believe the rulign people play countries off of each other such as USSR/USA (which isn’t necessary any more so they fixed it) the Federal reserve responsible for inflation and recession, the wars started just so the bankers can profit (its kindof obvious). etc. etc. But on this one, I think I was wrong. So i stand corrected. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2003, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815/142 "2003-09-20T20:43:10Z")
Wars started so that the bankers can profit? Those wouldn’t happen to be \*cough Jewish bankers, would they? The world banking conspiracy is about as nutty as the notion that Bush engineered the 9/11 attacks. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815/143 "2003-09-22T14:05:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sam Stone \* > \*\*Wars started so that the bankers can profit? Those wouldn’t happen to be \*cough Jewish bankers, would they? > > \*\* Does not matter what nationality or religion they might be. They’ve worked it out pretty good, eh? Anyone who tries to expose them is called anti-semitic. I’m not changing my mind just because some people on a message board _think_ its nutty.😛 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815/144 "2003-09-22T17:04:17Z")
> [@](#): > > Does not matter what nationality or religion they might be. > They’ve worked it out pretty good, eh? Anyone who tries to expose them is called anti-semitic. I think you’ve missed **Sam** ’s point. Fact is a great number of conspiracies suggest that Jews are running the world and blame them for everything. Which IS anti-semitic. > [@](#): > > I’m not changing my mind just because some people on a message board _think_ its nutty. If it makes a difference, **vanilla** , everybody thinks its nutty, an opinion which is not confined just to this message board. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815/145 "2003-09-22T17:18:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Marley23 \* > **I think you’ve missed Sam’s point. Fact is a great number of conspiracies suggest that Jews are running the world and blame them for everything. Which IS anti-semitic.** If nobody suggested a Jewish conspiracy **here** , why are you acting as if someone had? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815/146 "2003-09-22T17:24:41Z")
> [@](#): > > If nobody suggested a Jewish conspiracy **here** , why are you acting as if someone had? I didn’t. I was trying to explain **Sam Stone’s** comment. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2003, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815/147 "2003-09-22T19:28:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Marley23 \* > **I think you’ve missed Sam’s point. Fact is a great number of conspiracies suggest that Jews are running the world and blame them for everything. Which IS anti-semitic.** I’ve always wondered… You’ve got the Secret Zionist Cabal That Rules The World. They’ve been around for thousands of years, secretly manipulating _everyone_. Just about everything that’s ever happened…happened because they made it so. So, why have they done such a piss-poor job of secretly controlling the world? Someone who believes this explain to me why **everyone** knows about this ‘secret group’. Someone also explain to me how the group that rules the world can screw up so badly that they can allow six million of their members to be killed? If they control **everything** , why do they need to start wars to increase the value of their arms contracts and their oil shares? They already own everything! It’s like the boss being afraid of getting busted while taking paper clips out of the supply closet! -Joe, if someone wants to explain how the Illuminati could be public knowledge, that’d be cool, too ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2003, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815/148 "2003-09-23T14:18:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Marley23 \* > **I think you’ve missed Sam’s point. Fact is a great number of conspiracies suggest that Jews are running the world and blame them for everything. Which IS anti-semitic.** > > Well, i don’t believe it for a minute. > > \*\* > If it makes a difference, **vanilla** , everybody thinks its nutty, an opinion which is not confined just to this message board. 😛 \*\* Not everybody. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815/149 "2003-09-24T03:41:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by vanilla \* > \*\*Not everybody. \*\* Certainly not the one’s running things. ---
**Author:** ![Jojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecd19e/32.png) [@Jojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jojo)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815/150 "2003-09-24T05:47:38Z")
aah David Icke… _… Jojo wanders into pleasant reminisance…_ I read The Biggest Secret and enjoyed it immensely. Well-written, relentless pace, great bad guys but in the end I didn’t really believe a word of it. I think the Jewish angle is a red herring when dealing with Icke. The bad guys aren’t Jewish, they’re aliens from the lower fourth dimension and they’ve been fucking with our minds for thousands of years. One thing I always wondered though. These aliens - if they’re so technologically advanced and they want to take over the world, why didn’t they just turn up 4000 years ago with ray guns? They could have imposed any kind of society they liked. Instead they provoke wars and crash planes into buildings (and do all the other bad things that happen in the world) but they don’t seem to be much closer to achieving world domination than they ever were. To be honest I don’t mind being invaded by aliens (that would be quite cool in a way), but I do object to being invaded by really crap aliens that take 4000 years to become the almighty alien overlords of just one tiny little world. That’s the problem with Icke’s theory - his aliens are too crap. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815/151 "2003-09-24T14:13:30Z")
I found something on Icke’s site. [http://www.davidicke.com/icke/index1a.html](http://www.davidicke.com/icke/index1a.html) A letter from one Ed Zotti thanking david for fighting ignorance. its in the Mind Control Archives about subliminal advertising. 🙂 Jewish aliens?😉 ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815/152 "2003-09-24T14:36:51Z")
When you click the link, its on the left column, under library, click on Mind Control. ---
**Author:** ![Jojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecd19e/32.png) [@Jojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jojo)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2003, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815/153 "2003-09-24T15:50:06Z")
My God, you’re right. Good find, Vanilla: > [@](#): > > “Copyright 1999 Chicago Reader Inc. Reprinted with permission. The Straight Dope by Cecil Adams is a registered trademark of the Chicago Reader, Inc.” > > Visit the Website! > “The Straight Dope - [www.straightdope.com](http://www.straightdope.com)” > > Reprinted with permission of editor in this archive > > Thanks for joining us in the fight against ignorance. > Ed Zotti > Editor ~ The Straight Dope Ed must be pacing frantically up and down in his penthouse apartment thinking: “How could we have let this happen? David Icke is using a Cecil column as proof of his reptilian conspiracy. And we _thanked_ him for it!!” Y’know, there are various tours you can do in London - a Jack the Ripper tour, a famous buildings tour etc etc. Shortly after reading TBS I undertook a tour of my own, a David Icke tour. It’s amazing how many of the central sites of the conspiracy are in London: - the Grand Masonic Lodge (From where all the evil emanates) - the Canary Wharf obelisk (which represents a penis) and opposite it, over the river, the Millenium Dome (which represents a vagina) - the reptilian gargoyles that inexplicably adorn many buildings in the City of London Before long I was seeing reptilians everywhere. But then London is the main centre for the Brotherhood. People think America (Washington) must be the centre but it’s not. Washington is important and it is another Brotherhood city, of course, but London is the control centre and always has been. Shit, I think I’ve said too much…who’s that at the door? I’ll just go see, be back in five minut… ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2003, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815/154 "2003-09-25T14:10:38Z")
Well, **Zotti?** JoJo, you still there? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![akrako1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c77e96/32.png) [@akrako1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/akrako1)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2003, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815/155 "2003-09-25T23:17:11Z")
Here’s ANOTHER page that provides extensive links to documented evidence regarding U.S. complicity in the 9/11 attacks. [http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/pentagon/investigation77.htm](http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/pentagon/investigation77.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2003, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815/156 "2003-09-25T23:49:09Z")
ev·i·dence _n._ A thing or things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment: _The broken window was evidence that a burglary had taken place. Scientists weigh the evidence for and against a hypothesis._ So, that there are no Arabic names on some list is _evidence_ that Bush plotted the whole thing? Please. I’m still wondering what a “military-style bank” is. ---
**Author:** ![Jojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecd19e/32.png) [@Jojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jojo)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2003, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815/157 "2003-09-26T01:17:57Z")
> [@](#): > > JoJo, you still there? Yes, I am here. I reject everything I said earlier, I was confused. There is no conspiracy. Our leaders are perfect. I am a happy citizen going about my life. Those posters claiming there is a conspiracy will have to be terminat… will have to reassess their opinions. If they will give me their home addresses I will pass them on to certain authorities who will be able to help them readjust their views, just like they helped me. I am now a happier, more productive member of society. Our leaders are perfect. There is no conspiracy. Must sleep now, for it is the time to sleep. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix\_Dragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Phoenix\_Dragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phoenix_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2003, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815/158 "2003-09-26T04:33:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by akrako1 \* > **Here’s ANOTHER page that provides extensive links to documented evidence regarding U.S. complicity in the 9/11 attacks.** No, it seems to contain “extensive links” to rambling insubstantiated claims. Often contradictory ones (No fighters scrambled. No wait! Twenty minutes. No, fourty! Hmm…). And all to stuff that, even if it were true (Ignoring, for the moment, the self-contradictory state that would result in), does not give evidence that it was a conspiracy conducted by the Bush administration. Nor does it explain away any of the _very serious_ questions that would have to be answered is there _were_ a conspiracy. Really, how _do_ you explain away all the big obstacles that would be in the way of this conspiracy you seem to love beyond all reason? ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2003, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815/159 "2003-09-26T04:36:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ravenman \* > \*\*I’m still wondering what a “military-style bank” is. \*\* Perhaps he was referring to the Depository at Fort Knox? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2003, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815/160 "2003-09-26T14:09:46Z")
**JoJo** , you are funny. now go watch CNN. **Zotti,** we’re still waiting for you to splain. **akrako1** , I really don’t think there could’ve bene a conspiracy. Theres just too many people who would’ve talked. On a side note, I just finished David’s book Children of the Matrix, and he mentions some people actually come to his appearances dressed in reptile costumes. Funny! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-bin-laden-videotape-again-he-avoids-the-important-question/200815.md?page=9)