# New Book Allegation: Bill Clinton Rapes Hillary, Chelsea Conceived **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 13, 2005, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129 "2005-06-13T19:27:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Carnac\_the\_Magnificent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Carnac\_the\_Magnificent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carnac_the_Magnificent)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/1 "2005-06-13T19:27:09Z")
Scandalmongerer Matt Drudge has supposedly excerpted on his website a passage lifted from writer Ed Klein’s upcoming mudslinger: THE TRUTH ABOUT HILLARY: WHAT SHE KNEW, WHEN SHE KNEW IT, AND HOW FAR SHE’LL GO TO BECOME PRESIDENT, set for release next week. Klein’s book allegedly claims that, in 1972, President Bill Clinton raped Hillary in the Bahamas, resulting in the conception of Chelsea. Naturally, the books makes extensive use of “unnamed sources.” Additional “explosive charges” are forthcoming, Drudge promises. Please note that Bill Clinton actually informed said unnamed friend of his intent to rape his wife before doing so. :rolleyes: (That should be rolleyes to the 40th power.) Given the truly explosive, sensationalistic, potentially libelous charges Klein levels–and his purportedly serious journalistic background–how can he expect anyone to take his allegations seriously, especially given his use of unnamed sources? Or, does “serious” even enter the equation? How did the publisher agree to this? Weak libel/defamation laws? ## I’m not sure this will generate “great debate,” but I do want to keep this out of the Pit. “I’m going back to my cottage to rape my wife,” Klein quotes Bill Clinton as saying during a Bermuda getaway in 1979. In the morning, the Clintons’ room “looked like World War III. There are pillows and busted-up furniture all over the place,” an unnamed source tells Klein. Klein source claims Bill later learned Hillary was pregnant reading about it in the ARKANSAS GAZETTE. “The fact that his wife didn’t tell him that she was pregnant before she told a reporter doesn’t seem to phase him one bit, because he says, 'Do you know what night that happened?” “‘No,’ I say. 'When?” “‘It was Bermuda,’ he says, ‘And you were there!’” ---
**Author:** ![Carnac\_the\_Magnificent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Carnac\_the\_Magnificent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carnac_the_Magnificent)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/2 "2005-06-13T19:28:40Z")
Correction: 1979, not 1972 ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/3 "2005-06-13T19:32:17Z")
It seems to me that this is simply the most recent version of the trend. Journalists and authors can basically say whatever they want about whomever they want. ---
**Author:** ![rfgdxm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c0e974/32.png) [@rfgdxm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rfgdxm)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/4 "2005-06-13T19:40:38Z")
How the hell can it be said that Bill raped Hillary **without Hillary herself claiming it was rape?** Maybe Hillary is the sort of woman who actually enjoys having her husband jump her without notice when he feels like it. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/5 "2005-06-13T19:50:19Z")
> [@](#): > > _The Truth About Hillary: What She Knew, When She Knew It, and How Far She’ll Go to Become President_ Well, with a title like _that,_ I know we can expect an objective, fact-based fair-handed analysis! :dubious: This book simply proves what I’ve claimed all along: there’s good money to be made in writing conserva-porn. All you need is an incindeary title, a good dose of right-wing wank fodder, and the lack of anything resembling a conscience. ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/6 "2005-06-13T19:55:10Z")
> [@Carnac the Magnificent!](#): > > :rolleyes: (That should be rolleyes to the 40th power.) Like this: :rolleyes:[sup]40[/sup] or, if you’re pretty old, this: :rolleyes:\*\*40 . Shit like this doesn’t belong in politics. Anywhere, from any party. Not sure what the debate is… ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/7 "2005-06-13T20:15:06Z")
_Blinded by the Right_ is a must-read for insight into stories of this nature. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/8 "2005-06-13T20:27:21Z")
She really scares the shit out of them, doesn’t she? ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/9 "2005-06-13T21:05:06Z")
Oh, come on now you two. There’s an equal amount of venom coming from the left these days. I know liberals who get a new Bush bashing book once a week and haven’t ran out for years now. Plus you have Dean, the chairman of the DNC, on a rampage bashing the right. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/10 "2005-06-13T21:20:28Z")
Since they were married in 1975, I’m going to guess (as if it’s any of my business) that a 1979 vacation in Bermuda may not have been the first time Bill and Hillary may have busted up some furniture. As for the equal amount of venom coming from the left, I’ll believe it when I see the allegation that George W. raped his wife. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/11 "2005-06-13T21:26:20Z")
Oh, good grief. I can easily imagine a husband saying that about his wife, without meaning anything wrong, or illegal, by it… if, indeed, it even happened that way. Mrs. Clinton was a lawyer then. She was well aware of how to contact police, and what constitutes the crime of rape. There is absolutely zero evidence to indicate she was not able to do that if she had been assaulted in any unwlecome manner. This is absolutely outrageous and unfounded. What garbage. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/12 "2005-06-13T21:35:09Z")
Isn’t it about 13 years too late to try and drag Bill through the mud like this? Or is this some weird slam at Hillary as well? ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/13 "2005-06-13T21:48:35Z")
More than likely, Bill used a poor choice of words to his “friend”…Maybe “Jump Hillary’s bones” was probably more adequate choice. I bet the “friend” probably knew the difference as well. ---
**Author:** ![Malodorous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e47774/32.png) [@Malodorous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malodorous)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/14 "2005-06-13T21:59:19Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > It seems to me that this is simply the most recent version of the trend. Journalists and authors can basically say whatever they want about whomever they want. And they should be able to. 1st amendment and all. Of course we don’t have to listen to them. I can’t imagine the author being considered a serious journalist in any circles except the truly loony right after this book goes out. ---
**Author:** ![rfgdxm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c0e974/32.png) [@rfgdxm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rfgdxm)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/15 "2005-06-13T22:00:42Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Mrs. Clinton was a lawyer then. She was well aware of how to contact police, and what constitutes the crime of rape. There is absolutely zero evidence to indicate she was not able to do that if she had been assaulted in any unwlecome manner. Would Bermuda at the time have recognized spousal rape as a crime? The police might have just ignored her. **However** , she sure as hell could have divorced Bill’s ass as soon as she got back to the US. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/16 "2005-06-13T22:04:01Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > Oh, come on now you two. There’s an equal amount of venom coming from the left these days. I know liberals who get a new Bush bashing book once a week and haven’t ran out for years now… Well, then, you won’t have any problem naming 52 in the last year. OK, 26. Can’t hack it? Howzabout 13? Still no? May we take it, then, that you were indulging yourself in baseless hyperbole, and do not expect serious consideration? Duly noted. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/17 "2005-06-13T22:04:20Z")
I think they were role playing. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/18 "2005-06-13T22:05:38Z")
> [@adam yax](#): > > Isn’t it about 13 years too late to try and drag Bill through the mud like this? Or is this some weird slam at Hillary as well? What do you mean “as well”? The title of the book is: THE TRUTH ABOUT HILLARY: WHAT SHE KNEW, WHEN SHE KNEW IT, AND HOW FAR SHE’LL GO TO BECOME PRESIDENT. ---
**Author:** ![rfgdxm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c0e974/32.png) [@rfgdxm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rfgdxm)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/19 "2005-06-13T22:07:54Z")
> [@Yeticus Rex](#): > > More than likely, Bill used a poor choice of words to his “friend”…Maybe “Jump Hillary’s bones” was probably more adequate choice. I bet the “friend” probably knew the difference as well. [http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/bc42.html](http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/bc42.html) “Clinton was elected Arkansas Attorney General in 1976, and won the governorship in 1978.” At the time this allegedly happened, Bill was already Governor of Arkansas. If Bill had raped his wife in Bermuda in 1979, d’ya think that he’d go around actually admitting this to people? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2005, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129/20 "2005-06-13T22:23:42Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well, then, you won’t have any problem naming 52 in the last year. OK, 26. Can’t hack it? Howzabout 13? Admittedly, these are from 2004: Worse than Watergate: The Secret Presidency of George Bush-John Dean Prelude to Terror: The Rise of the Bush Dynasty, the Rogue CIA and the Compromising of American Intelligence-Joseph Trento Crimes Against Nature: How George W. Bush and his Corporate Pals are Plundering the Country and Hijacking our Democracy-Robert Kennedy, Jr. Bushworld: Enter at Your Own Risk-Maureen Dowd House of Bush, House of Saud:The Secret Relationship between the World’s Two Most Powerful Dynasties-Craig Unger American Dynasty:Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush-Kevin Phillips Losing America: Confronting a Reckless and Arrogant Presidency-Robert Byrd Cruel and Unusual:Bush/Cheney’s New World Order-Mark Miller With God on their Side: How Christian Fundamentalists Trampled Science, Policy, and Democracy in George W. Bush’s White House-Esther Kaplan All the President’s Spin: George W. Bush, the Media, and the Truth-Ben Fritz, et al. The Lies of George W. Bush-David Corn Strategic Ignorance: Why the Bush Administration Is Recklessly Destroying a Century of Environmental Progress-Carl Pope The Book on Bush: How George W. (Mis)leads America-Eric Alterman Lets Stop Beating around the Bush-Jim Hightower That should be 13. I could go on if you wanted, though. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-book-allegation-bill-clinton-rapes-hillary-chelsea-conceived/308129.md?page=2)